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Old 08-02-2012, 03:06 PM   #11
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If it can potentially prevent an act like this asshat in CO did, why the hell not?
Why do you think the proposed legislation would do that? At any time, the CO shooter could have walked into Bass Pro Shop, Cabellas, or Gander Mountain and acquired what he wanted. How about we place restrictions on the explosives he used to booby trap his apartment. Oh- wait. There are already laws about that. Did not stop him, did it?

I am really fed up with drunk drivers. How about a 5 day waiting period for the purchase of beer, wine or spirits?

If instead of a firearm the goblin in CO used a 5 gallon bucket of gasoline and a Bic lighter (which, BTW, would have probably killed more people) then I suppose we should have a 3 day waiting period for the purchase of gasoline- and there should be a two gallon limit. I mean, after all- it's for the children....

Although I disagree with you, I am not flaming you. The sad fact is that we have always had, and always WILL have crazy and/or evil persons among us. Laws will not prevent that from happening.
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If you buy 5001 rounds online you get put on the no fly list and your name gets to be on the terrorist watch list. Once your on the terroristwatch list your subject to one way vacations to guantanimo bay...

Still care about what the government has reported?? Oh and by the way the fine print doeant distinguish betwen buying 5000 at one time or 1 ata time until you hit the magic number.

Exactly how will stopping sales, recording, making more hoops have prevented the colorado shooting?? Would it have stopped him from building teargas grenades or rigging his apartmemt to explode??

Once you accept that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed this stuff becomes clear as to why.
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To understand politicianbs, especially left-wingers, you've got to think like them.


They're smart enough know they can't repeal the 2A in total;.


So the next best thing is to nibble away at it a little at a time. As an example, banning the .50 cal rifles didn't affect one out of ten thousand shooters. But it did prevent a few hundred guns from being sold in Kalifornia. They are happy with it. If they can ban black powder, they'll be happy.

These folks are incredibly patient, and they're willing to take a hundred years if necessary to ban guns althogether, one gun at a time.

You can't use logic with these people. You've got to have political muscle.
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Do you have to prove who you are to buy a computer on the internet? NO

Do you have to prove who you are to buy a roll of fabric on the internet? NO

Do you have to prove who you are to buy food on the internet? NO

Do you have to prove who you are to buy a TV on the internet? NO

Do you have to prove who you are to buy a car on the internet? NO

It is up to you to make sure you are not breaking any idiotic laws in the Communist state of Jersey Shore where the laws are stupid and Snooky came from. Then again I think Jersey should be banned for allowing someone that stupid to breed. bite me...

You are not doing anything WRONG to warrant a search. I am all for killing this and I fully support the NRA in using what ever tactics is needs to to STOMP this bill into the ground.

You shouldn't have to have a FOID card to buy a gun either. I spent some time in Jersey. It is a cesspool of corrupt police, politicians and New York cities trash.

If you are willing to fold on this then what next? Allowing the feds into your home to inspect your storage safes? To make sure your raising your child right? How about just giving them your guns now and becoming a servant to the will of the government because it will take care of you and love you and hold you and sing soft kitty warm kitty to you every night. WE cannot afford to be handing our right over to them because well we are ok with not having any rights.

Man there sure are a lot of socialist on this board. I can't believe some of you people. Makes me sick to my stomach.

yo, don't like it don't read it. do I go to where you live and knock from trailer to trailer and bad talk your town? No. Not that I care about your ignorant view on the state that I live in. None of those things you listed are such a contentious item like what is protected in the 2A. Did you read the text of that act? Did it state that the police can go door to door and check your gun safe? And for what? sheesh...


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The Gov't DOES NOT have any right whatsoever to regulate or outright ban LEGAL COMMERCE...

It's just another way for them to chip away at our rights, towards the ultimate goal of total citizen disarmament.

If you say you have nothing to hide, would you be okay with mandatory gun registration?

I throw up in my mouth a little every time I hear about more laws in the name of public safety and at the red tape hoops we ALL have to jump through just to exercise a RIGHT.

You seem to have your head screwed on straight but as a gun owner living in 'Joisee' you should be as fed up with the regulations as it is...just sayin'...

Ask yourself what did the 5500 rounds of ammo said CO azzhat had in his apt have to do with what hapenned...NOTHING...This is simply yet another kneejerk reaction by socialists who are pandering to peoples' ignorance and fears...

It'll NEVER make it through Congress anyways...
Legal commerce ceases to make sense if that item gets in the hands of a terrorist or someone that doesn't have control of their mental faculties. the sellers are not doing what is in my opinion good conscience decisions in the name of "commerce". no one wants the gov't to control anything good or bad, but WE have to do the right things. IMO, there is nothing wrong with a background check before buying a firearm. Does anyone here think it's wrong?

It never will pass the muster of Congress, we ALL know that. but at the end of the day, there does need to be a happy medium between 2A proponents and gun control-ers, there just has to be. We ALL live in the same country!

I am fed up with the gun laws in NJ, they were written (pardon the reference) when Adam West was Batman. but they are what they are. Would you be ok, with not having to register your car, and allowing anyone to drive without being licensed? I'm not.

I have a non-resident FL CCW permit because I travel for work and with my family often. would I prefer to be able to CC where I live? Hell yes. Do I carry anyway? Hell no. Because in spite of my beliefs I have to adhere to the laws of my state. again, I don't want to sound like a sheeple, thought I am doing so. but if you dig deep into the wording of these "acts" and make them to a point to where both sides can be satisfied; GC freaks get some BS controls, and 2A advocates feel that our rights are not infringed upon, then let's get it freakin over with already and move on.

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Agreed, he just asked a question, we're all on the same side here...
I have owned guns for over 20 years, as a Brooklyn-ite and a a New Jerseian. We have super strict gun laws and they do nothing to stop the BGs from getting their hands on guns, so it's all a waste of time. but my point is, what the heck is the big dealif I have to send a copy of my FPID to the guy shipping me my ammo? And who care if I have to wait 5 days to make my next purchase. Lautenberg is from NJ, he knows what he pulled here worked so he's trying it on the rest of the country. Let him. My point is that there ARE people that should NOT have access to this stuff. How do we prevent THAT from happening?
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My point is that there ARE people that should NOT have access to this stuff. How do we prevent THAT from happening?
You cant. All you can do is guard your rights with vigilence and fervor. You cannot make yourself safe by giving up your freedom.

As it turns out the colorado shooter's university was fully aware he was a danger to himself and others yet nothing was done...

Its got nothing to do with buying ammunition. Lets say this "law" was in effect he sends in his license gets reported to the guberment. Nics check is run and the vendor gets an ok to sell since the shooter had no record no diagnosis nothing to say in official records he was a nut. How would you and me reporting our sales prevent him from murdering people??

The only way to prevent such things is for more people to be responsible for their own safety and carry a firearm for self protection
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I disagree with all waiting periods.

I disagree with ANY restrictions, or record keeping on ammo sales.

I disagree withv Lautenberg being a senator. If he wants to work in the the Capitol, he should be cleaning toilets.
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[QUOTE=drvsafe;890584]yo, don't like it don't read it. do I go to where you live and knock from trailer to trailer and bad talk your town? No. Not that I care about your ignorant view on the state that I live in. None of those things you listed are such a contentious item like what is protected in the 2A. Did you read the text of that act? Did it state that the police can go door to door and check your gun safe? And for what? sheesh...




Legal commerce ceases to make sense if that item gets in the hands of a terrorist or someone that doesn't have control of their mental faculties. the sellers are not doing what is in my opinion good conscience decisions in the name of "commerce". no one wants the gov't to control anything good or bad, but WE have to do the right things. IMO, there is nothing wrong with a background check before buying a firearm. Does anyone here think it's wrong?

It never will pass the muster of Congress, we ALL know that. but at the end of the day, there does need to be a happy medium between 2A proponents and gun control-ers, there just has to be. We ALL live in the same country! So you are in favor of MORE "compromise"???

I am fed up with the gun laws in NJ, they were written (pardon the reference) when Adam West was Batman. but they are what they are. Would you be ok, with not having to register your car, and allowing anyone to drive without being licensed? I'm not. Are what they are huh? Now that's a winning attitude... And no, I couldn't give a red rat's azz if other drivers are licenced or not, having a license DOES NOT mean you are a safe driver...And I'm all for not having to register my vehicles...it'd save me 50 bucks a year...


I have a non-resident FL CCW permit because I travel for work and with my family often. would I prefer to be able to CC where I live? Hell yes. Do I carry anyway? Hell no. Because in spite of my beliefs I have to adhere to the laws of my state. again, I don't want to sound like a sheeple, thought I am doing so. but if you dig deep into the wording of these "acts" and make them to a point to where both sides can be satisfied; GC freaks get some BS controls, and 2A advocates feel that our rights are not infringed upon, then let's get it freakin over with already and move on.



I have owned guns for over 20 years, as a Brooklyn-ite and a a New Jerseian. We have super strict gun laws and they do nothing to stop the BGs from getting their hands on guns, so it's all a waste of time. but my point is, what the heck is the big dealif I have to send a copy of my FPID to the guy shipping me my ammo? And who care if I have to wait 5 days to make my next purchase. Lautenberg is from NJ, he knows what he pulled here worked so he's trying it on the rest of the country. Let him. My point is that there ARE people that should NOT have access to this stuff. How do we prevent THAT from happening?[/QUOTE]

Not quite sure what that comment has to do with taking up for you when another poster labeled you as socialist...I take back my comment about you having your head screwed on straight...
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If I don't have to prove who I am at a polling station then, why do I need to prove who I am if I order ammo online?

Can I walk into a store and pick up 5 cases of ammo and pay for it in cash, and walk out the door? In my state yes I can. I know you can't do that in PRNJ. I tried to buy some rimfire ammo one time and they wouldn't even let me see it unless I showed them my FOID, DL, and paid for it first. That was fine I drove another 15 miles to PA and purchased 15k rounds of rimfire ammo and trucked it to my home then and shot it up.

Why do I need to prove who I am what is that going to do? HELLO ever heard of ID theft? What is to stop a bad guy from stealing someones ID getting a FOID and buying this stuff under someone else's name and doing the same thing he would have done if he bought it under his name? NOTHING. That is the whole point.

Whats next? DNA scans to make sure we don't have the CRAZY gene so we can buy ammo?

Laws like this just make it harder for US to get the needed ammo, to train, shoot, and PROTECT our family. It does nothing to stop the criminal from getting what he/ she wants.
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One guy posts his opinion and asks for someone to explain the other side of the coin and all of a sudden there are many people anti-2A on the board?
Read some of the gun control threads, it is not just one person that picks and chooses. He is entitled to his opinion, I dont recall suggesting he isnt. The idea that because his states nanny laws have stripped him of his freedoms, somehoe pigeon holes the rest of us into the same fate is disturbing.
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This act requires licensed ammunition dealers to keep and maintain records of the sale of ammunition. It also requires ammunition buyers who are not licensed dealers to present photo identification at the time of purchase, effectively banning the online or mail order purchase of ammo by REGULAR civilians.

I show identification when I purchase ammunition. I am pretty sure you do, too. Why do they have to ban ammunition online purchases?

This Aurora shooting has nothing to do with me, and it has nothing to do with you. This political scheme is aiming towards our innocent blood so that they can continue their political agenda... which is why, in my honest opinion, every law abiding citizen should oppose this act.
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