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Old 04-21-2017, 06:52 AM   #11
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Also with the sale of most new vehicles, trailers and off road toys, the manufacturer issues a manufacture form, which dealers are to fill out if they are also handling registration, or the owner takes it as proof of sale to DMV\DOT for the initial title or registration.

In NY, if you are going to ride the local trails in a UTV\ATV or on an Enduro or dirt bike, it does have to be registered and insured, same with a snow machine. In that case, they take the actual VIN (Same with cars older than XX\XX\XXXX), and add zeros to the beginning of the VIN, so it can be put in the modern system.

The stolen bike in our case was a 1980 Suzuki 400 SP, enduro., so it had the short VIN on our title, and the longer one on the new title and documents he had. When he knew he was caught, he came up with the plate, but not the papers, and had been trying to sell it in his front yard, in a town of about 800, inwhich about 100 of the residents ride. It was one of my friends I used to trail ride with that made the spot, and dad and I drove out to his place, loaned him my truck, and had him do a drive by.

When dad and I went there, and then got back to confirm the VIN, I had to explain the way they worked the VIN , as he hadn't seen one with a few zeros in front of it before.
some states do registering of certain vehicles differently. in Colorado, you can register and insure your ATV for street usage IIRC. not in Texas though!

now on some dual sport bikes like some enduros, if they have all the street safety equipment, they can be registered and insured for riding on the streets. now some enduro bikes are not equipped with the safety equipment for street usage though. they have a headlight, a tail-light, but no turn-signals, brake-lights, horn, and ect....

on trailers here in Texas, you can get a bill of sale from the builder or dealer, and take that to the DMV at the courthouse and get it registered and a license plate. also if i built a trailer from scratch here at the house, i can go to the DMV, classify it as home-built, tell them the approximate GVW capacity, and they have a rating chart as to how much to charge for the registration tags, and then i can get the plates for it. we have two of those home-built trailers down here at the farm.
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All good discussion, but a bit off topic. Anything about the OP?
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if a person passes an NCIC BGC to purchase a firearm, or gets a CC permit, gets fingerprinted, goes through a BGC, and then a few years later goes off the deep end, because of a run of bad luck, his wife ran off, he lost his job, and his house is about to be foreclosed on and his truck got repossessed, who on God's green earth could predict such an outcome? i can tell you. exactly on one!

people and thier circumstances can change. even law abiding gun owners. none of us are immune to bad luck or bad circumstances. we are all susceptable to emotional breakdowns. it can happen to anyone, at any point in their lives if the right factors come into play.

now, in no way does that say that i justify this guys actions and committing murder by any means. just that there may be circumstances that drove him in the direction he went.
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Some things that bother me about this latest Liberal editorial.

"That means a state such as Illinois could no longer draw a line and refuse to give concealed carry permits to people convicted of violent misdemeanors, substance abusers, repeat drunken drivers or who have severe mental health issues. Under the U.S. House version of a proposed law being considered in Congress, all those folks could simply get a permit from another state — one with much looser restrictions — sometimes just by mailing away for one. Twelve states require no permit at all"

Without a permit from your state, you will not be able to carry in another state, which would mean to me that I would get a permit from my state. Most that allow permit-less carry also will provide a permit Oh, by the way, most of those cited people who should not be allowed permits, are not already.

"The Violence Policy Center has documented 928 deaths since 2007 in incidents involving concealed carry permit holders in 40 states and the District of Columbia. Concealed carry laws ought to be tightened, not tossed out with the trash."

Hmm, that is about 93 per year, and who knows how many of those were justified. How many have their been in Chicago since 2007 that were criminal homicides? Fix that before you screw with the people who historically do not commit any crimes with their legally carried firearm.

"People in more than 100 professions, from hair braiders to canine handlers, have to get state licenses. There’s no reason gun dealers shouldn’t have to as well."

Those "licensees" are performing a service. For which they should be able to show training and competence. However what that really does is make it easier for the state to make sure they are getting their taxes and fees. Walmart sells lawn tools, car parts, cleaning chemicals and lots of other stuff. Do they need a licence? How about every other retail shop that sells anything?

That is just a start for a lot of this crap. The same old Liberal; "I don't like it so it should be illegal!"
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