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Old 01-02-2013, 05:32 AM   #41
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Just a misconception, no real basis I don't know much about reloading and I had heard to be careful with ammo others reloaded
so stating a misconception, with no real basis that you haven't really any knowledge of contributes what to the discussion?

repeating incorrect information isn't in any way useful or productive to the discussion at hand and only confuses the issues.

if you can't post actual facts or evidence which can be supported, maybe you should just stick to reading the comments until you have some actual facts or information that can be referenced other than you just heard or read.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:49 PM   #42
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I think the NRA is getting a lot of unnecessary grief over this. Our entertainment is more violent than ever. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Why is Hollywood not taking any accountability for the movies they make? Why is our culture ok with 12 year olds playing increasingly violent games.

No one is calling for getting rid of these things, but as a culture I think we're well beyond asking when it is enough.

Frankly, I vote with my wallet in this regard.
Wah wah wah, they are violating the 2nd amendment, here let me attack the 1st amendment in response. That is what you are saying. Movies, games, books, they are protected forms of free speech, the 1st and most important amendment of the constitution. Some French name sounding SOB pissed all over the first amendment.

Why is Hollywood not taking any accountability for the movies they make? Why is our culture ok with 12 year olds playing increasingly violent games.

Answer to these are the MPAA and the ESRB. They are rating systems. Call of Duty, rated M (must be 17 or older to purchase/rent). Though it is "voluntary" it is enforced by most legitimate retailers. Most violent movies are still rated R which is 17 or older. Once again, that is the equivalent of blaming the guns for the violence. It isn't the guns, it isn't the movies, it isn't the games. It is the parents. Let me say this again THE PARENTS who don't follow the ratings, don't play by the rules, and imho do not deserve to have their DNA passed on to future generations that are the problem. I understand since I have kids myself that you can't be up their butt 24/7, but if I told my kid no to an M rated game and he somehow ended up with a copy I would snap the disc in front of him to let him understand what no meant. The problem here is poor parenting.

Don't even get me started about these school shootings. There were warning signs all over the places on most of them. Most of the kids were bullied (or at least perceived they were) and the authority figures (parents and school admin) were dismissive of it. I don't think Lanza fits that one, but only time and research will tell.

So please go give money to the NRA who attacks the 1st amendment with capn Frenchie for Prez. They won't see another dime of my money ever again.
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Good reason to start reloading and forging bullets, if the tax on ammo does happen I will freak out, I just don't trust reloaded ammo, I've never used any so I'm just speculating but I have heard that it's less reliable.
Reloading like most things in life requires education and practice. Reloaded
ammo can be tailored to the charateristics of a particular rifle or handgun
providing a level of accuracy that you will never get from a factory load.

Factory ammo is designed to shoot okay in the most common rifles, not
great in a specific rifle.

And as a minor note, bullets are swaged or cast not forged.

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so stating a misconception, with no real basis that you haven't really any knowledge of contributes what to the discussion?

repeating incorrect information isn't in any way useful or productive to the discussion at hand and only confuses the issues.

if you can't post actual facts or evidence which can be supported, maybe you should just stick to reading the comments until you have some actual facts or information that can be referenced other than you just heard or read.
Why not the statists, socialists and communists do it all the time and it
works.

Seriously, we all need to listen to everything and critically think or evaluate
all the data and then make an informed decision.

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Wah wah wah, they are violating the 2nd amendment, here let me attack the 1st amendment in response. That is what you are saying. Movies, games, books, they are protected forms of free speech, the 1st and most important amendment of the constitution. Some French name sounding SOB pissed all over the first amendment.

Why is Hollywood not taking any accountability for the movies they make? Why is our culture ok with 12 year olds playing increasingly violent games.

Answer to these are the MPAA and the ESRB. They are rating systems. Call of Duty, rated M (must be 17 or older to purchase/rent). Though it is "voluntary" it is enforced by most legitimate retailers. Most violent movies are still rated R which is 17 or older. Once again, that is the equivalent of blaming the guns for the violence. It isn't the guns, it isn't the movies, it isn't the games. It is the parents. Let me say this again THE PARENTS who don't follow the ratings, don't play by the rules, and imho do not deserve to have their DNA passed on to future generations that are the problem. I understand since I have kids myself that you can't be up their butt 24/7, but if I told my kid no to an M rated game and he somehow ended up with a copy I would snap the disc in front of him to let him understand what no meant. The problem here is poor parenting.

Don't even get me started about these school shootings. There were warning signs all over the places on most of them. Most of the kids were bullied (or at least perceived they were) and the authority figures (parents and school admin) were dismissive of it. I don't think Lanza fits that one, but only time and research will tell.

So please go give money to the NRA who attacks the 1st amendment with capn Frenchie for Prez. They won't see another dime of my money ever again.
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Your first paragraph summed it up perfectly. As much as I love the gun community, there sure is a helluva lot of fear mongers within it.

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Wah wah wah, they are violating the 2nd amendment, here let me attack the 1st amendment in response. That is what you are saying. Movies, games, books, they are protected forms of free speech, the 1st and most important amendment of the constitution. Some French name sounding SOB pissed all over the first amendment.

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Answer to these are the MPAA and the ESRB. They are rating systems. Call of Duty, rated M (must be 17 or older to purchase/rent). Though it is "voluntary" it is enforced by most legitimate retailers. Most violent movies are still rated R which is 17 or older. Once again, that is the equivalent of blaming the guns for the violence. It isn't the guns, it isn't the movies, it isn't the games. It is the parents. Let me say this again THE PARENTS who don't follow the ratings, don't play by the rules, and imho do not deserve to have their DNA passed on to future generations that are the problem. I understand since I have kids myself that you can't be up their butt 24/7, but if I told my kid no to an M rated game and he somehow ended up with a copy I would snap the disc in front of him to let him understand what no meant. The problem here is poor parenting.
This is the overreaction I am talking about. I don't think anyone is calling for a ban on movies or games and as a parent and long-time avid gamer I am well aware of the ESRB. I am also all too aware of the ongoing struggle of bad parenting giving access to questionable games.

However, the people who make these games continue to pump them out. They want to attack the 2nd amendment without any accountability for the products they make?

Hypocrisy. They need to be called on it. If they don't want accountability for their end product they have no business attacking other people's rights.
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So please go give money to the NRA who attacks the 1st amendment with capn Frenchie for Prez. They won't see another dime of my money ever again.[/QUOTE]


And once you anti-NRA far left liberals get rid of the Second Amendment just how long do you think Caliph Osama (May Allah bless his name) will tolerate your precious First Amendment????

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As gun owners we need to STOP this pessimistic attitude IMMEDIATELY that a new "ban" is going to take place. Lately I've been hearing talk like "when the new ban goes into effect" and "the coming ban" etc, as if this is already a done deal. WAKE UP, because its not a done deal! That kind of attitude comes from defeatism and will lead to failure!

We all need to realize that since the last ban expired, this industry has grown tremendously and there are millions of new law-abiding, responsible gun owners out there just like you!

You MUST take three minutes out of your day from searching for guns, magazines, parts etc, and take that time to WRITE YOUR REPRESENTATIVES at all levels of government. Local, state and most importantly at the federal level. Think LONG TERM! That's how the other side operates and we need to as well.

#1) Regardless if your representative is on the right or the left they still need to hear from you. Even if your rep is a huge 2nd amendment person or you live in an area surrounded by folks that don't agree with you... they still must hear from you!

#2) You must understand that your actual representatives will likely not read your letter/email. HOWEVER their STAFFERS WILL read them. This is a NUMBERS GAME. The staffers retain simple counts for their bosses (your representatives) of how many emails/letters came in FOR or AGAINST additional gun control legislation. The MORE WE WRITE IN the better it is for us and it puts them in a PICKLE.

#3) Keep your email/letter SHORT and SIMPLE. ONE or TWO sentences MAX. Don't try to laboriously argue a point; rather simply state your position and note that you will be educating your friends/family and anyone you can talk to, to vote them out of office if they vote for any new restrictions on your rights.

#4) Don't let the other side shout our side down. Make your voice heard. The consequences of NOT acting will lead to LONG TERM repercussions.

Do you want to be FINGERPRINTED and PHOTOGRAPHED like a common criminal and not be able to will your private property to your heirs? You should be OUTRAGED and offended by the suggestion!

Write your representatives today! Its EASY!

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: http://house.gov/htbin/findrep

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RE-POST THIS EVERYWHERE AND EMAIL IT YOUR YOUR FRIENDS and FAMILY!

Thanks for reading.
Agreed, BUT what as also occurred since the last 'ban' is the progressive extremists have gained 1000% in their power and influence with the American sheepeople which means to many 'the truth as become a lie and the lie has become the truth'!!!
So to stop them will be EXTREMLY hard to accomplish in this environment!!!
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Good luck with that Clem! Since joining this forum I mistakenly assumed most were on the same page but sadly we are not. Our form of Gov. at this time is the two (2) party system like it or not that's where we are at. So it saddens me deeply to realize that several of our moderators and many members appear to be proud of the fact that they did not vote for one reason or another. Some too morally pure to vote for "the lesser of two evils" some "because my vote wont make a difference" some because they are so socially detached they are clueless as to what is going on! Choosing not to vote was a vote for the "greater of two evils" but at least you have a clear conscience!! You can comfortably sit back and say "I didn't vote for him or it!"
Countless thousands have given all to ensure we have the freedoms we enjoy today and it appears to mean so little to some that to chose A or B violates their form of morality to the point of standing by and letting it happen!

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

So Snappingturtle not to be a pessimist but yes I do think its too late we gave the farm away on Nov.6 2012 a date we will all remember in the future!
The only way to turn around now would be an all out revolution and thats just not going to happen. Americans have grown fat, dumb and comfortable with the "fight" bred right out of them.

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Pasquanel, I think this post should be made into a separate thread and made "sticky"

Hey MODS, how about it????

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Seems like we should have more pressing issues that he hasn't yet gotten in front of. Maybe behind is where he stays.
That's what the people in power always do to us. They get us all worked up about things that are stupid.

Who actually believes that banning so-called assault weapons will make a real difference?

It's the same thing that magicians do. They make you look over here while they're doing the REAL thing where you're NOT looking.

Both sides , right and left , do it. Try to see what they're not showing you, or you're not noticing?.

If that sounds paranoid to you, well, sorry.

This time, it's got me pissed off too.
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so stating a misconception, with no real basis that you haven't really any knowledge of contributes what to the discussion?

repeating incorrect information isn't in any way useful or productive to the discussion at hand and only confuses the issues.

if you can't post actual facts or evidence which can be supported, maybe you should just stick to reading the comments until you have some actual facts or information that can be referenced other than you just heard or read.
Again I have no knowledge of reloading, like I said, I was just repeating something I heard, I was clarifying information and what I heard was wrong
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