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Old 07-27-2013, 03:09 AM   #201
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If someone's breaking into my car, I'm confronting them with an UNholstered gun (21 feet rule). I'll be on the phone with 911, having given them the location and situation before going outside, and I'll be screaming at them (the perp) to "go away, I'm armed and on the phone with police" while keeping the connection open between myself and the emergency dispatcher.

What happens from there..."the best laid plans of mice and men..."

Is anything in my car worth killing over? No. But it ain't worth laying down and taking such a violation like a little beeyotch either.

Anyone asking "what if" questions in regards to robbery, I would guess haven't been through it. Being robbed has often been likened to being raped. I believe it. There is no greater sense of being violated in the dirtiest manner, except likely in the event of an actual rape. When you come home, and discover your SANCTUARY has been invaded, everything pulled out of its rightful place and rifled through. Some things taken, some left behind. Having your entire LIFE finger freaked by some ******* looking for something to sell for his next fix. In YOUR HOME. YOUR SAFE PLACE. YOUR SANCTUARY WHERE YOU CAN SHUT OUT THE WORLD AT WILL.

Considering I spend as much time inn my car as I do in my house, and it IS an extension of my sanctuary, I would be just as upset at someone raping that part of my life too.
As I said earlier, I'm not a lawyer. My understanding of the law is that it allows you to SYG defend yourself within your vehicle or within your home. But when you are outside your vehicle, especially already in your house, your vehicle is considered property, not sanctuary. Killing someone for trying to steal your car may not work out too well in court, where it is likely to wind up.

Personally, I think they should consider cars like they used to consider horses. Horse thieves got hung when caught or shot in the attempt to steal. But in the modern era, not many folks look at it that way. Are you willing to bet your freedom that you will get one of those few on your jury?
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Thanks for the input, Balota

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My first chance to post something in months and you folks use up all the good material, WTF?

Allow me to recap:

Zimmerman aquitted for defending himself even though he should not have gotten out of the vehicle to start with... check.

The presumed Attorneys General of the good ole US of A is a complete and udder moron that cannot prosecute the current administration for violating the Constitution and Firearms trafficking, but can say that we cannot defend ourselves because it violates the civil rights of the bad guys... check.

Obubblehead is having an identity crisis, he believes that he was Trayvon 35 years ago... check.

McCain and Brewer are RINOs and pick which party that they want to represent on a daily basis... check.

The current administration only believes that the SYG law should only be used when it is not needed and only by those that they say can use it... check.

Did I forget anything?

I guess that this will teach me not to stay away for so long, huh?

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I think you pretty well have it figured out.

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As I said earlier, I'm not a lawyer. My understanding of the law is that it allows you to SYG defend yourself within your vehicle or within your home. But when you are outside your vehicle, especially already in your house, your vehicle is considered property, not sanctuary. Killing someone for trying to steal your car may not work out too well in court, where it is likely to wind up.

Personally, I think they should consider cars like they used to consider horses. Horse thieves got hung when caught or shot in the attempt to steal. But in the modern era, not many folks look at it that way. Are you willing to bet your freedom that you will get one of those few on your jury?
Actually, in Texas you have the right to defend your property in certain situations.

Texas Penal Code§9.42

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A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.


Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
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Why should Zimmerman not have gotten out of his vehicle???

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Why should Zimmerman not have gotten out of his vehicle???
Well according to Fox News, he was instructed not to leave his vehicle by the 911 Operator.
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Well according to Fox News, he was instructed not to leave his vehicle by the 911 Operator.
Who had absolutely ZERO legal authority. IIRC, he was headed BACK to his vehicle when Martin attacked.
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Well according to Fox News, he was instructed not to leave his vehicle by the 911 Operator.
actually what i heard sounded more like a suggestion. the suggestion actually carries no legal authority.
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This is SOP for all LE agencies. They want no liability so the standard is to tell 'civilians' not to get involved in any way. If you are a neighborhood watch participant you are instructed to 'observe and report' from a safe distance. So 'following' (not stalking, pursuing, or chasing as reported by the racist media) a suspicious person is necessary behavior to accomplish this. Zimmerman was acting in a responsible and lawful manner when he was attacked by a violent criminal who matched the description of those victimizing his neighborhood, and who was acting suspiciously (an angry young man, not an innocent child) and he was justified in using reasonable force to defend himself.

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