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Old 07-16-2013, 11:58 PM   #11
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It is just another gun grabbing scheme like JTJ referred to. The Stand Your Ground Statute does not even apply to the Zimmerman case. This because it was self defense after Trayvon attacked him and was hitting his head upon the sidewalk. It had nothing to do with the rule concerning stand your ground. Once you are physically attacked it is no longer a stand your ground issue at that point.
Deadly force rule is basically as follows. If a person reasonably believes that he or she can or is in fear of serious bodily injury or death deadly force is warranted. If someone had overpowered me and was hitting my head on the concrete there would be little hesitation on my part as well. As the old saying goes I would be the one planning on going home for supper! It was a terrible situation but if Martin would have talked to Zimmerman and not attacked he would be alive today and the communities would not be in turmoil! Bottom line it was self defense. I can not help it that the Libs do not understand the law. But the law is the law with all emotion removed.

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if i'm not mistaken, and please correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't the SYG provision involve a person unlawfully invading your space, (home, car or workplace) and allow you to defend yourself without being obligated to retreat? if so, then what happened to Zimmerman wasn't a SYG case but one of self defence.

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The head cop clown was in Orlando speaking to the NAACP and this is what he had to say on stand your ground. Here is a clue.....he does not like it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/eric-holder-stand-your-ground-laws_n_3606778.html

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He does not like the Constitution either. He believes he is the law and does not have to obey the law unless it suits him and his boss.

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So he wants us to be a giant nation of wussies who aren't supposed to fight for ourselves and our property and instead, run and hide? Well sir, to you I say, and I quote Independence Day..."Up Yours!!!"

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Hell we got gun owners on this forum that don't like it either. Go figure.

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if i'm not mistaken, and please correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't the SYG provision involve a person unlawfully invading your space, (home, car or workplace) and allow you to defend yourself without being obligated to retreat? if so, then what happened to Zimmerman wasn't a SYG case but one of self defence.
Pretty much, but also can include out in public.

However, even IF this happened in a non SYG state (like mine), Zimm was unable to retreat, due to the fact that he had 160 pounds straddling and beating him. Kind of hard to retreat in that situation.
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Pretty much, but also can include out in public.

However, even IF this happened in a non SYG state (like mine), Zimm was unable to retreat, due to the fact that he had 160 pounds straddling and beating him. Kind of hard to retreat in that situation.
i agree and just wanted some clarification on the SYG stute. thanks Mason.
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i agree and just wanted some clarification on the SYG stute. thanks Mason.
No problem. Now, I'm no expert on SYG, but from what I have been able to find (as well as info from a few lawyers I trust), SYG does vary between states and those variations are generally slight.
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Seems like he's more worried about making things easier for minorities than what's good for the country as a whole. I'm all for equal opportunities but special treatment for any group of people shouldn't be part of the equation.

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