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Sniper03 01-27-2012 03:29 AM

The South us standing up for Americans~
 
Latest news from Tennessee,
Due to the arrest of a Tennessee woman who was a student who went to New York to see ground zero and was arrested for having a handgun on her with a valid Tennessee Permit. The S has hit the fan in Tennessee! Representative Nicely of Tennessee has introduced a resolution in Tennessee that all NY motorist best abide exactly by the traffic and other laws of the State of Tennessee if traveling through the State of Tennessee! And has sent the information on to Mayor Bloomberg of NY City! God Bless the South! It is about time that Americans started standing up for Americans instead of the Liberal anti second amendment Socialist that are trying to running our country! I am originally from the North but the South has the right idea!:)

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orangello 01-27-2012 03:45 AM

I agree with your sentiment, but this is similar to the whole "legalize cannabis" movement in that what she did is currently illegal where she did it. This just goes to show, again, that "legal" does not equal "right".

On one hand, i support the state's rights aspect of letting each state's citizens make their own decisions/rules (not saying that is how NYC's firearms laws got sooooooooooooo moronic in the first place). On the other hand, i support the lady's 2nd amendment right to be armed.

BigByrd47119 01-27-2012 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by orangello (Post 690602)
I agree with your sentiment, but this is similar to the whole "legalize cannabis" movement in that what she did is currently illegal where she did it. This just goes to show, again, that "legal" does not equal "right".

On one hand, i support the state's rights aspect of letting each state's citizens make their own decisions/rules (not saying that is how NYC's firearms laws got sooooooooooooo moronic in the first place). On the other hand, i support the lady's 2nd amendment right to be armed.

It really depends...I mean...if your of the opinion that states have a right to levy gun control laws, then yes, the argument is similar to the legalize cannabis movement.

On the other hand, and precisely where I stand, I believe that the "shall not be infringed" portion of the Second Amendment should be taken in a literal sense, and I charge the Federal Government with the responsibility of stopping states from creating laws which infringe on Constitutional rights (see Second Amendment).

Hopefully that was written in a manner that is understandable...

kfox75 01-27-2012 07:06 AM

In all actuality, the law she broke is a You Dork (New York) city, and a state law. I live in NY state, and a pistol permit issued in the county I live in is NOT VALID in NY city. She is not the first person I have heard of being arrested for this "crime". A former LEO I know, who moved to Florida from upstate NY, was wrrested for the same thing two years ago. A federal law allows him to carry anywhere he is, within the US. I believe it is called the LEO Protection act, and it allows them to carry so they can defend themselves if attacked by a former convict they have arrsted. His case made the national news at the time, I'll try to fimd a link and post it. Point is, they (NYC) ignored a federal law and violated his 2A rights, as well as her 2A rights. And yes, you did read it right, you need a permit to own a pistol in NY state! And you must be a resident.:mad::rolleyes:

As to the State of Tennesse's response, nail anyone who breaks the law. But, bear in mind that not all of us with NY plates are from that $hithole. And not all of us are anti-gun Libs, Atleast not on the western side. Thanks for starting this thread Sniper, I think I'll be changing my plans to go visit my aunt in Nashville though, I don't want to risk it.:D

kfox75 01-27-2012 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangello (Post 690602)
I agree with your sentiment, but this is similar to the whole "legalize cannabis" movement in that what she did is currently illegal where she did it. This just goes to show, again, that "legal" does not equal "right".

On one hand, i support the state's rights aspect of letting each state's citizens make their own decisions/rules (not saying that is how NYC's firearms laws got sooooooooooooo moronic in the first place). On the other hand, i support the lady's 2nd amendment right to be armed.

Actually Gello, I can answer part of that. Mayor Sullivan of NYC (1905-1911) had ties to the Irish gangs in his wonderful city. When the Italian mob and a few other organizations moved in, he got with the city council, and brought up the idea of regulating who can own guns. Liscenses were issued (crookedly) and city law banned ownership without proper papers. Sullivan died two months prior to the law taking effect. The event that made it a state matter was an asassination attempt on the new mayor, while he was on the courthouse steps with the Govenor. A former city employee ( from Jersy no less) tried to kill both of them over him getting fired. Funny how the gang connection and the fact that the would be asassin was not a city resident never made it into any NY state history books! I appologize for it being abridged, but I don't remember all of the particulars.;)

AIKIJUTSU 01-27-2012 03:57 PM

Part of NYC's ongoing effort to keep the streets safe for criminals.

bkt 01-27-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigByrd47119 (Post 690619)
It really depends...I mean...if your of the opinion that states have a right to levy gun control laws, then yes, the argument is similar to the legalize cannabis movement.

On the other hand, and precisely where I stand, I believe that the "shall not be infringed" portion of the Second Amendment should be taken in a literal sense, and I charge the Federal Government with the responsibility of stopping states from creating laws which infringe on Constitutional rights (see Second Amendment).

Hopefully that was written in a manner that is understandable...

That's a nice idea, but it would require the government repeal NFA and GCA '68 and disband the ATF. Then, the courts would need to unambiguously incorporate 2A against the states. Then, a bunch of challenges to state and local gun laws would need to make their way through the courts to get existing laws struck down.

*sigh*

orangello 01-27-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AIKIJUTSU (Post 691035)
Part of NYC's ongoing effort to keep the streets safe for criminals.

Yup, they don't allow the greasy grease, passed allow against crossing a street while wearing headphones, and don't allow much in the way of firearms rights; next thing you know, all the NYC people will be wearing city-mandated diapers.

jon1992d 01-27-2012 05:39 PM

The thing that I dont understand about NYC is why would you not want your population to protect themselves in a place that has such a high possibility of terrorist attacks. Since 1990 they have already been attacked on 2 different occasions that i know of. If I was in charge I would want my residents to have the ability to protect themselves from all threats domestic and foreign. As far as Tennessee saying what they did, I think thats great. They are standing up to themselves and reminding NYC that they are not the capital of America and they dont make the rules.

Tackleberry1 01-27-2012 06:09 PM

This is why I support HR 822 National Right to Carry Reciprocity which passed the House last week.

Basically it does for CCW's what we already have for Drivers licenses. If a state issues CCW's to it's own residents, "of which 49 States now do in some form" then you must honor the permits issued by other States.

IF we can get this through the Senate by a veto proof margin it will become the law of the land and the only option for places like NY City and Chicago would be to accept it OR throw out there state issue permit system. The political cronies "currently the only ones getting permits" in these jurisdictions would not let that happen.

I'm all for State rights but this is a Civil Rights issue! If the Fed's can STOP southern states from segregating schools on the Civil Rights argument it can certainly use the same logic to protect Americas newest dispariged minority...CCW HOLDERS.

Our right to be secure in our persons and property should not stop at ANY state line.

Contact your Senators and urge them to support HR 822.

Tack


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