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KalashnikovJosh 07-29-2012 09:01 PM

So who here actually thought Heller was the end of infringement of the 2A?
 
Scalia: Guns May be Regulated

Perhaps Scalia should elaborate further on exactly WHERE he found regulations about "frightening weapons",because the only "long standing" precedent I've been able to find to support his theories are laws that controlled the arms ownership of slaves and freed people of color.

In fact,all Heller did was to remove the burden for Constitutional legitimacy of "gun control" from the ridiculous notion of it being permitted from authority granted by the commerce clause,to a revisionist interpretation conceived by a so-called "constitutional originalist conservative" that literally changes the instruction of the amendment itself from "shall not be infringed" to "subject to 'reasonable' regulation".

The very moment public sentiment changes,and congress is able to enact more "gun control",it will be done so via "powers" of the authority granted it by Scalia in interpreting an amendment that originally fully denied the congress any latitude whatsoever in infringing the inalienable individual right to keep and bear arms,and now grants a new power to "reasonably regulate" said right.

The gun grabbers don't even need to concoct wild theories about the commerce clause and necessary and proper clause any more.

Welcome to a new era of "gun control".

Anyone who owns any sort of "Heller commemorative" crap might as well turn it in for a $100 coupon at the next local government sponsored arms buyback in your area.

This again PROVES that the SCOTUS is nothing more then the fox guarding the hen house when it comes to it limiting the powers of the federal government,which it itself is a branch of.

From disarming slaves to being called legitimate via wild interpretations of tax powers and the commerce clause,now to plagiarized Nazi laws being legitimized by an outright Orwellian interpretation of the second amendment,"gun control" is here to stay.:mad:

dog2000tj 07-29-2012 09:08 PM

Disarmament of the people by the Gov't will NEVER go away :cool:

KalashnikovJosh 07-29-2012 10:15 PM

Not so long as we have a government that believes it can decide its own limitations......

"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."
— James Madison, Federalist No. 48, February 1, 1788

RJMercer 07-31-2012 02:20 AM

The problem is too many career politicians that have been there long enough to get in the good graces of justices and use the buddy system to influence the federal judiciary. Since congress will never impose term limits on themselves.... I guess it's just up to us. Don't forget to vote in the primaries!

locutus 07-31-2012 02:22 AM

Heller v DC was the opening salvo in this war, not the final victory.

Bigcountry02 07-31-2012 02:23 AM

Never say never! They will keep coming, whether it is about food, guns, ammo, water rights, etc.

KalashnikovJosh 07-31-2012 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locutus (Post 887747)
Heller v DC was the opening salvo in this war, not the final victory.

There seems to be two different viewpoints on this.

Some people think Heller was the beginning of the end for "gun control".

Others think it was an insidious reinterpretation of the second amendment itself that will allow future efforts at gun control to derive their power from the 2A itself,as Scalia has interpreted it to allow "reasonable regulation".

While only time can tell,the reality is that had the 2A been properly upheld,"gun control" would have had to be overturned entirely,based on the fact that the 2A says very clearly that the government is not to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

I respect your viewpoint,but won't be holding my breath any time soon that the Second Amendment,along with the entire concept of limited government and the very Constitution itself,will be properly upheld.

bkt 07-31-2012 07:57 PM

There will always be a large percentage of people who anthropomorphize weapons and believe the presence of weapons is the cause of crime. It is not.

There will always be a small segment of people, in government and not, who wish the general populace were entirely disarmed. Once that is done, ANYTHING may be done according to their wishes.

So the battle will go on indefinitely. Even if the SCOTUS says 2A is an individual right and no weapons may be barred to individuals, the fight will go on.

So don't worry too much about it. :)

locutus 08-01-2012 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkt (Post 888379)
There will always be a large percentage of people who anthropomorphize weapons and believe the presence of weapons is the cause of crime. It is not.

There will always be a small segment of people, in government and not, who wish the general populace were entirely disarmed. Once that is done, ANYTHING may be done according to their wishes.

So finitely. Even if the SCOTUS says 2A is an individual right and no weaponthe battle will go on indes may be barred to individuals, the fight will go on.

So don't worry too much about it. :)




Good advice!:)

therewolf 08-01-2012 03:36 PM

Take a newbie shooting, with the 22s.

Reality and empowerment are on our side.

By increasing public awareness, and making

more LACs gun owners, we further our cause

much better than engaging in fruitless arguments

with hysterical liars.


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