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Old 07-06-2015, 11:27 AM   #11
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How do their stats today compare to their stats from before they passed a "shall issue" CCW law (or declared for constitutional carry)? For that matter, are they all "shall issue"?

Though I agree with you about the demographics aspect. So per capita, the differences are not so large. And California has a much higher urban population. So a somewhat higher incidence of gun related murders is to be expected with a higher concentration of gangs, for example.

Do the FBI statistics enable someone to distinguish between murders related to gang activity from other murders? If so, how do the non-gang murders per capita compare?

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Most likely because of the demographics.

Look, the gun-friendly Alabama has a higher murder rate than CA. Nevada, about the same. The stats are not convincing either way, much as some folks want them to be.

Added: Even within the DOJ, the BJS crime stats are often different from the FBI bureau of stats, because of the different methodology.
AFAIK, there were no demographics figured into the amendments as written, notably the second one. While I believe there may be plenty of numbers out there to make pro gun points, there are folks out there that know little and care even less about self defense and gun rights. And actually, if you dig into some of the homicide stats of the larger cities, ie Chicago, you will find that they will purposely miscatagorize some deaths in order to artificially lower homicides and/or death rates due to firearms.
I guess my point is, regardless of the latest numbers or who recorded them, the little lady in Baltimore was supposed to have the same rights as the rancher in Wyoming.

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No doubt she does. Being sober with facts and numbers is not subversive to 2A

The violent crime/murder rates have decreased nationwide. The South still has the highest as a region, Northeast the lowest. The latest preliminaries suggest an uptick in some areas. If it materializes, it is going to be known as the Obama reversal
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the problem with statistics is they present facts minus reality.

When I moved to New Mexico from California, nobody asked me my name, anywhere. I go to the same restaurant twice a day for two and a half years, nobody asked me my name. One day, a waitress said "then" and I heard "Dan". I asked her why she finally used my name, and she asked me what IS your name? after I told her my name, all the waitresses started calling me by name. they figure if you don't tell them your name, you don't want them to know their name, and they don't read your name off your credit card.

same thing different way: I find myself explaining to blacks in bars: It ain't racial. the reason nobody is talking to you is that you did not talk to them first. they figure if you don't start the conversation you don't want to talk, so they respect your wishes and leave you alone.

600 miles, 100% attitude change from in your face confront California. From "What you looking at, sucka?" to "Well, I guess people look at other people where he comes from".

without that context, the statistics are facts devoid of information.
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