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JWagner 06-25-2013 04:36 PM

Slate's view of the gun situation
 
A surprising attempt to present gun stats with minimum bias. Considering that Slate is a fairly liberal site, they did this well.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_d efense_findings_from_a.html

johnr1943 06-25-2013 04:50 PM

Why?
 
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Originally Posted by JWagner (Post 1286378)
A surprising attempt to present gun stats with minimum bias. Considering that Slate is a fairly liberal site, they did this well.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_d efense_findings_from_a.html


To an extent...

But nobody will talk about the "elephant in the room", namely the racial/ethnicity imbalance in the data -incidentally the same groups exploited and manipulated for their votes - a true statistically anomaly in itself.. I have a strong disdain for all the PC stuff out there in this country.

Why does PC seem to trump basic civility and morality? Why do we as a nation, continue to treat symptoms instead causes? Why does THE government become so hypocritically incensed when a person blows the whistle on their (the government) spying on its own citizens? :confused:

JWagner 06-25-2013 06:13 PM

Good point. As an add-on to your comments, studies of the data show that most gun murders happen in a very small, concentrated are. These are the war zones. I read a stat that over a 30 year period, 75% of the murders in Boston took place in only 4.5% of the land area of the city. So,, violence is not all that widespread; it is concentrated. And the usual news accounts of violence do not mention that.

johnr1943 06-25-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JWagner (Post 1286475)
Good point. As an add-on to your comments, studies of the data show that most gun murders happen in a very small, concentrated are. These are the war zones. I read a stat that over a 30 year period, 75% of the murders in Boston took place in only 4.5% of the land area of the city. So,, violence is not all that widespread; it is concentrated. And the usual news accounts of violence do not mention that.


Re: Boston: With or with out James "Whitey" Bulger!!!?:eek:

And yes, that is correct - however that is not the perception the banner wish people to be aware of. It puts a damper on their "government control" agenda.

John_Deer 06-25-2013 06:40 PM

Another thing that no one mentions in their polls is how many crimes were committed with a gun obtained by illegal means. No one in their right mind is going to commit a premeditated crime with a legally obtained gun. People in the drug business or other forms of organized crime can buy illegal guns quickly or they already have an illegal gun.

hawkguy 06-25-2013 07:56 PM

interesting article, thanks for posting.

Daoust_Nat 06-25-2013 11:35 PM

Good article and well put by a liberal leaning website. Again, Obama does not care about facts. it is about control, and control, and, well, control.

What does Bloomberg want? Control over your personal life with soda, guns, suger, salt etc.

Obama has the ability to direct Illinois generally and Chicago specifically to not plea bargain gun possession. He chooses not to. It is better for his agenda to take guns away from the law abiding. He does not give a rat's butt about those homies killing each other in Chicago. He wants more control over you, who probably did not vote for him and/or any of his cronies.

We as the legal, law abiding gun owners in this country have to remain vigilant, and oppose any further "common sense" gun solutions. Particularly if the immigration law goes through, giving us so many more Democrats.

Tackleberry1 06-25-2013 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Daoust_Nat (Post 1286722)
Good article and well put by a liberal leaning website. Again, Obama does not care about facts. it is about control, and control, and, well, control.

What does Bloomberg want? Control over your personal life with soda, guns, suger, salt etc.

Obama has the ability to direct Illinois generally and Chicago specifically to not plea bargain gun possession. He chooses not to. It is better for his agenda to take guns away from the law abiding. He does not give a rat's butt about those homies killing each other in Chicago. He wants more control over you, who probably did not vote for him and/or any of his cronies.

We as the legal, law abiding gun owners in this country have to remain vigilant, and oppose any further "common sense" gun solutions. Particularly if the immigration law goes through, giving us so many more Democrats.

If Amnesty is passed, peaceful redress of grievances is finished in America.

Tack

WNGMSTR 06-26-2013 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tackleberry1 (Post 1286729)
If Amnesty is passed, peaceful redress of grievances is finished in America.

Tack

Most freedom loving Americans feel this way now, but you are right this will be a final nail out of the gun.:cool:

Mason609 06-26-2013 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by johnr1943 (Post 1286480)

Re: Boston: With or with out James "Whitey" Bulger!!!?:eek:

And yes, that is correct - however that is not the perception the banner wish people to be aware of. It puts a damper on their "government control" agenda.

As far as Boston goes...

The area in question was known as "the combat zone" in downtown Boston... it wasn't Whitey's area. It wasn't anyone's area, people were fighting over it... as well as being a high drug area.


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