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prsabordo 11-02-2010 05:32 PM

Should the United States adopt a form of gun control?
 
Hey everyone, i have a debate on this topic and i had to be on the pro side of it, that means i am for the proposition that the U.S should adopt a form of gun control. Now I know many people are against it, but its a debate for my communications class. Thing is i can't seem to find any evidence to support the pro side. I was wondering does anyone have any hard evidence (court cases, reputable statements, proper research studies) that can support the pro of gun control and does anyone know where i can find this stuff?

bkt 11-02-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by prsabordo (Post 379045)
Hey everyone, i have a debate on this topic and i had to be on the pro side of it, that means i am for the proposition that the U.S should adopt a form of gun control. Now I know many people are against it, but its a debate for my communications class. Thing is i can't seem to find any evidence to support the pro side. I was wondering does anyone have any hard evidence (court cases, reputable statements, proper research studies) that can support the pro of gun control and does anyone know where i can find this stuff?

The right to defend your life, the lives of your family, friends and neighbors, and the right to retain your property is inarguably a natural right. So you can't build a cogent argument for gun control if you understand that.

Therefore, tear a page out of the leftist-collectivist handbook and declare that all rights are bestowed by society and that no individual rights exist in nature. You can build a sound argument for gun control on that premise while simultaneously exposing the fallacy in the premise. Win-win.

dunerunner 11-02-2010 05:46 PM

Could not have been stated any better! Well done, bkt!!

As far as where to find this misguided goo......http://www.bradycampaign.org/

spittinfire 11-02-2010 05:46 PM

I think you'll have a hard time finding anything to support the arguement for gun control because time and time again it fails at doing what anti-gunners claim it will do.

DonnyKC 11-02-2010 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prsabordo (Post 379045)
Hey everyone, i have a debate on this topic and i had to be on the pro side of it, that means i am for the proposition that the U.S should adopt a form of gun control. Now I know many people are against it, but its a debate for my communications class. Thing is i can't seem to find any evidence to support the pro side. I was wondering does anyone have any hard evidence (court cases, reputable statements, proper research studies) that can support the pro of gun control and does anyone know where i can find this stuff?

The only people gun control that benefit from gun control is the government and criminals

Squirrel_Slayer 11-02-2010 06:34 PM

I always thought gun control was using both hands to fire.

Dillinger 11-02-2010 07:03 PM

Sure. Gun control. There has ONLY been about 650,000,000 people wiped off the planet because they were not as well equipped and well prepared as the tyrants that wanted to impose their will upon the masses.

The reason you are having a hard time finding evidence to support gun control is because you can't find a true, scientific study that less guns equals less crime that wasn't prepared by pixies, held together with fairie dust and viewed thru the lens owned by the Rabbit from Wonderland. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, there have been hundreds of studies and examples given that a well armed and trained populace actually leads to LESS crime.

Why?

The very definition of being a criminal is someone that doesn't abide by laws and rules. Thus, if you take away small arms from law abiding citizens who were trained to use them, criminals will still be able to use them because they don't care about your laws.

If you can't understand that simple equation, then you really don't understand the problem.

JD

NGIB 11-02-2010 07:19 PM

As usual, our esteemed moderator nailed this one.

The fact is there ARE NO logical, factual arguments that support gun control - and there never will be...

Glasshartt 11-02-2010 07:30 PM

Gun control is being able to hit your target!!

c3shooter 11-02-2010 07:54 PM

OK- can we start by defining the term "Gun Control" ? Do you mean a blanket prohibition against firearms? Do you mean laws governing owning, and the sale of, firearms and ammunition?

Let's take a stroll thru the library, and down memory lane. Over there on the shelves of the library are the various laws in the US about firearms. Oh- you did not realize there were that many? Well, yes, there are about 20,000 laws already on the books that impose limitations on making, importing, selling, possessing, carrying, and using guns. Yes, that was not a typo- about 20,000. Hard to tell just how many, because the politicians keep trying to change the number. For what it is worth, it is already against the law to possess a gun if you have been convicted of a felony, have been adjudged mentally incompetent, are a drug addict, and so on. Of course, since there are laws against breaking into your house and stealing your TV, THAT does not happen- right? Point 1- Criminals do not obey the law.

Now, over on memory lane, let's take a look at the history of gun control laws. You see, those laws were needed to keep guns out of the hands of the "wrong people". However, "wrong people" depends on the time, and where you were. At various times, the wrong people have been American Indians, slaves, free blacks, Irish, Chinese- and especially people that have a different political view than you do. In Europe, firearm ownership was denied to the Jews- one of the reasons that 6 million of them could be rounded up like cattle, and gassed.

Point 2. Are YOURS the wrong hands?

As long as we are over here on memory lane, why not take a look at the view of the founders of the US on guns. You can start with Thomas Jeffereson, Patrick Henry, and George Mason- father of the Bill of Rights. And the folks trying to keep those unruly colonists in line. Royal governors of Virginia and Mass.

Of course, that is all acient history- why not look at a couple of modern day nations with VERY strict gun control laws, and see how that is working for them. Check the increase in violent crime in England. Oh- and Mexico has some of the most stringent gun control laws. How's THAT working for them?

Point 3. There is a difference between a citizen and a subject. A citizen creates a government to insure the preservation of rights given him by God. A subject is ruled.


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