[JoeB1987]

Both are idiots...

Neither cases are justified, and both should be held completely responsible for their actions.

[KalashnikovJosh]

I think that when you go out and violate another persons rights,you forfeit your own rights and if that person guns you down like the scumbag you are-then you got what was coming to you.I dont much like back-shooting however,unless your in combat.Even then I dont think I'd shoot at people with their back turned from me as their running away.Its just distasteful.

Maybe if these muggers,rapists,murderers,'gangstas' and carjackers knew they were subject to their prospective victims wrath as much if not more so then their victim is subject to their criminal assault-some things would really CHANGE in this nation.

As for the poor lady that was shot in her home-the guy who started the criminal incident should be charged with murder.Not the guy defending himself and his right to be left alone by welfare-fed nanny state coddled predators.

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Originally Posted by KalashnikovJosh

I think that when you go out and violate another persons rights,you forfeit your own rights and if that person guns you down like the scumbag you are-then you got what was coming to you.

Maybe if these muggers,rapists,murderers,'gangstas' and carjackers knew they were subject to their prospective victims wrath as much if not more so then their victim is subject to their criminal assault-some things would really CHANGE in this nation.

As for the poor lady that was shot in her home-the guy who started the criminal incident should be charged with murder.Not the guy defending himself and his right to be left alone by welfare-fed nanny state coddled predators.

They did charge the robber with felony murder. They are considering in charging the man.

[KalashnikovJosh]

Yeah.Thats good.

But I still dont really like that the guy with the gun was shooting at a man's back as he was running from him.

[pandamonium]

Originally Posted by Dillinger

First off, how are there two people involved in shootings IN DETROIT who have carry licenses?!?!

I thought that was a VERY tough city to get a permit in.

If the information given is correct, both men should be charged as neither of them took the responsibility for what the CCW License is really for.

This Permit/License is not for "Street Justice". Once you start chasing someone, especially a person that is no longer on your property, you pretty much lose any right to claim "Life Endangerment" and thus you will be promptly screwed in the eyes of the law.

There is no doubt that emotions carry sway and none of us can say what we would or would not be able to do - but facts are facts.

If you carry a weapon, you have a responsibility to carry it for the right reasons and to exercise restraint.

In these examples, it would appear that was not the case.

JD

I agree with JD on this one. The threat was ended the VICTIMS legally had no right to fire their guns, however, once the encounter begins, I could see it being very difficult to "turn off".
How about something like this, if a woman, who has a CPL, and has a firearm in her purse, gets overpowered and raped. And after the guy is done, she gets to her firearm and shoots him dead. Technically the threat is over,Should she be charged?

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Originally Posted by pandamonium

I agree with JD on this one. The threat was ended the VICTIMS legally had no right to fire their guns, however, once the encounter begins, I could see it being very difficult to "turn off".
How about something like this, if a woman, who has a CPL, and has a firearm in her purse, gets overpowered and raped. And after the guy is done, she gets to her firearm and shoots him dead. Technically the threat is over,Should she be charged?

Thats a good point, but the difficult thing is that the law is based on self defense not retaliation. And rape, in and of itself, is alot of times hard to prove. A rape story is easy to make up, and when its one persons word against another it makes it hard. Even if you have DNA evidence, it may prove sex occured but not rape.

[Dillinger]

Originally Posted by pandamonium

How about something like this, if a woman, who has a CPL, and has a firearm in her purse, gets overpowered and raped. And after the guy is done, she gets to her firearm and shoots him dead. Technically the threat is over,Should she be charged?

A difficult question to answer, because I think some of the hypothetical is still missing from the question.

IF the woman still feared for her life, in the case of the attacker might still have control of her, might kill her for seeing his face, or something of the case, then I would say she is still in the "fear for my life" self defense phase.

If the rape happened while she was running through the park, the attacker finished and took off running to get away from the seen, I would have to say I totally understand her shooting the hell out of the guy, but it would not be "self defense" as described.

These questions make me glad I don't have to answer them with someone's life and liberty in the balance. How can you selflessly charge a woman when what you prescribe for your own family would be different for another because of the name on your office door?

JD

[pandamonium]

I chose this type of scenario because, IMO a rape doesn't really end, so to the woman, the threat could last indefinitly. It is a tough one to call, that's why I put it the way I did. If I was on the jury I could not ,in good concience, find the woman guilty of a crime. Now I don't mean she tracked him down a couple of days later but the shooting was as the perp was leaving.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by spittinfire

I agree in protecting yourself, others and your property but with the limited information you've given here neither of these men were in danger and should not have fired their weapons.

I agree. Your weapon does not justify you to carry out an execution of a criminal. It is only there to assist you in getting you out of a life threatening situation.

IMO- The guy that shot at the street mugger and ended up killing the woman should be charged with murder.