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Old 08-26-2014, 12:33 PM   #61
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No. There is no evidence to support your political rhetoric.

We were,discussing Sheriffs, and their stated policy of intentionally failing to follow the law of the State.

I know what is coming next, but I will remind you that F&F was a failure in judgement at a low level of one branch of law enforcement. F&F is only an issue in the minds of die-hard Obama haters; the rest of the country is aware of that, accept it as the boondoggle it was, and are just not interested in it any more. When talking about F&F you are only preaching to the choir.
F&F was more than a failure in judgment it was an illegal act and a Violation of the law.

That's not what we are talking about here, "Violations of the law", If it were then we would prolly run out of bandwidth listing all of the times Holder and Obama have "Broken" the law.

We are talking about "Ignoring' the law. You can do the Google and find all the dozens of times Obama and Holder have ignored the law and forced others to do the same, but to get you started I will list a few.

◦More than 300,000 captured illegal aliens had been processed and were awaiting deportation. Obama stopped these deportations and ordered the U.S. border patrol to release these illegal aliens. That's pretty much on par with your Sheriff releasing criminals, yes.

His defiance of our Immigration laws goes much deeper than this one exapmle, but you get the point.

A couple Black Panthers were charged with Voter intimidation. AG Holder dismissed the charges. This outraged J. Christian Adams to the point he resigned from the DOJ in 2010.

Lets not forget the Obama Administrations refusal to enforce Marijuana Possession laws across the Country, cept of course there be a firearm involved, then he be enforcing.
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A lot of wasted band width here!
It all comes down to the one on one interaction between the LEO (citizen wearing the badge) and citizen not wearing the badge. The LEO MUST have and USE his/her (good) judgment and not charge people when it is obvious the law which they are violating is unconstitutional and the enforcement of said law would be a violation of the citizens/violators rights. This would apply to 99.9% of anti-gun laws on the on the books today. It don't matter who the LEO works for.
But this action is few and far between because it easy to do the wrong thing and hard to do the right thing!!!

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Old 08-26-2014, 08:27 PM   #63
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A lot of wasted band with here!
It all comes down to the one on one interaction between the LEO (citizen wearing the badge) and citizen not wearing the badge. The LEO MUST have and USE his/her (good) judgment and not charge people when it is obvious the law which they are violating is unconstitutional and the enforcement of said law would be a violation of the citizens/violators rights. This would apply to 99.9% of anti-gun laws on the on the books today. It don't matter who the LEO works for.
But this action is few and far between because it easy to do the wrong thing and hard to do the right thing!!!
QFT Jim.

There are some who seem to think that all LEOs must enforce ALL Federal, State, and Local laws with no exceptions. as Jim pointed out, enforcement is up to the LEO in the field, and the actions of his\her "customer". Every stop is a judgement call for both parties.

As to the they don't have the right argument, I invite those who say this to take the training, don the uniform, and do the job themselves. I know many LEOs who I have been friends with for decades, and each time one of them runs radar they choose not to enforce NY V&T law 1180 (d) unless someone is really hauling ass. Some set the go\no go at 7 over, some at 5 over.

If you really want to see LEOs enforce the law to the letter, I advise you to go get your car's speedometer calibrated and certified. it will do you no good for fighting a ticket in court, but then you will know you are breaking the law and you will have no excuse.
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very true. i think police chiefs job should be an elected position as well.
I have to agree. I believe it would encourage a different point of view and outcome. Most rank and file police officers I know are pro second amendment. It stands to reason that elected police chiefs would be too.
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I just realized that this thread has pretty much crossed over to politics. As such, how can it still be open?

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So according to where you live is really what your likely to experience and that is more variable by neighborhood than county, state or Federal policy. I live in NY but the LEO's upstate are not so much Andy appreciators as can be garnered by the very few arrests and almost no prosecutions in "Upstate of Safe act Violations". Your much more likely to get a seatbelt or cellphone ticket than a weapon violation citation or even a second glance at a citizen with a firearm thats not looking for a fight for that matter.

Its not fair for sure, its hard to judge what should and shouldnt happen as a general rule and easier if its case by case but LEO's really arent allowed much room to judge, just express the law as written. Thats probably as it should be but bad law will always come between good people...

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Amen Sheriff !!

http://www.westernjournalism.com/maryland-sheriff-stands-federal-gun-grabbers-warns-civil-war/

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Sheriffs know what fed police refuse to accept, an armed free population is a respectful one.
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Already a thread running on Sheriff Lewis.

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f97/sheriffs-say-no-109642/

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Already a thread running on Sheriff Lewis.

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f97/sheriffs-say-no-109642/
Okay......they are merged
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