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Old 04-11-2013, 12:00 PM   #51
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MS13 member shaves up, throws on a polo shirt and presents himself as a seemingly responsible guy...sparks up a convo with a private gun seller at a convention and BAM...transaction complete.


This is exactly the kind of baseless statement that comes out of the mouths of people like Diane Feinstein.

The Maras have access to a vast blackmarket of stolen or trafficked weapons. They control most of the smuggling routes from Guatemala to northern Mexico, including Transportacion Ferroviaria Mexicana, the main freight line from Chiapas up through Veracruz. They've got conservatively 20,000 members in the US who can tap the network. Mara Salvatrucha works protection for the drug cartels and you think they need to wear polo shirts and go to gunshows? The truth is that the river of guns, illegal immigrants and drugs flows north not south.
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Did you really just compare my statement to Diane freaking Feinstein?

Oh and to those who dont think it happens....this kinda thing is whats circulating all over the web. Replace the white reporter with a decent looking hispanic or black guy....or...this may sound shocking but a white gang member. Get a dose of reality below and dont DARE try to make the claim that shady sales at gun shows dont happen. This has to stop

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/politics/2013/04/11/ac-pkg-savidge-gun-show-gun-buying.cnn

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I don't know how anyone can claim there are no illegal purchases at gun shows - who attends all of them? Sad but true, the ammo hoarding and re-selling that has been going on in 2013 proves there are plenty of gun folk with little or no scruples when it comes to making money off of fellow gun folk. There are a lot of first-class d _ ckheads who own guns that I would never trust or associate with. I think one would have to be pretty naive to think differently.

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I don't know how anyone can claim there are no illegal purchases at gun shows - who attends all of them? Sad but true, the ammo hoarding and re-selling that has been going on in 2013 proves there are plenty of gun folk with little or no scruples when it comes to making money off of fellow gun folk. There are a lot of first-class d _ ckheads who own guns that I would never trust or associate with. I think one would have to be pretty naive to think differently.

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Chloe, thank you. Its refreshing to see that at least some folks have morals and conviction. We have to be responsible folks....this IS a loophole, and a glaring one, that has to be stopped.
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I have morals and conviction, that's exactly why I don't want anymore government control over my life and liberty. To state people don't have morals and conviction simply because they don't agree with your point of view is a bit undemocratic and naive. You want to give up more of your rights that's your business. I don't.

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Any private sale I do to a stranger, I ask to see there KY CCDW License. If they have one, I sell it. If not, no sale.

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Chloe, thank you. Its refreshing to see that at least some folks have morals and conviction. We have to be responsible folks....this IS a loophole, and a glaring one, that has to be stopped.
I rented a table at my club's annual gun show for over 10 years. Not a FFL dealer, just a collector/hobbyist.

I quit doing that many years back for several reasons.
It always raised a red flag when a person came and looked at a gun on my table, and their first question was: "ya got paper on that?"

Many folks walked away when I asked to see picture I.D. and asked them to sign the bill of sale.

One guy was really interesting. Clean cut, short hair, clean shave, and black suit with black shirt and Roman collar. Wanted to buy an HK-91 and an AR180.

Started cursing at me like a sailor when I asked for I.D.

While I think the best solution would be to give everyone access to NICS, and not restrict it to FFL dealers, something needs to be done.
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Chloe, thank you. Its refreshing to see that at least some folks have morals and conviction. We have to be responsible folks....this IS a loophole, and a glaring one, that has to be stopped.
Pretend there is a loophole (what free men have called a sale without government intervention). If a felon is already breaking laws, now including buying a gun, have you truly deluded yourself into thinking anything being proposed, which we don't even know the full extent of yet because it has been hidden from us, will stop them from having a firearm? Would ANY (of these) new laws stop a Sandy Hook or Colorado "gun free zone" shooting!? No. What effect do you seriously see these lying party-of-the-Left politicians having on "gun violence" that law abiding citizens' right* to keep and bear arms should be, in your dreamworld voluntarily, infringed!?

And locutus, even the best citizens in this country have been, are and should be skeptical about having their name on a list. What you read into that and do about it is up to you but base it in reality, not Left wing rhetoric.


*And don't give me any nonsense about more unenforced or unenforceable "common sense gun laws" being a fair trade for the safety of the people. Or that our rights are preserved, we just have to exercise them as we are told; to sit down and shut up because an America-hating socialist who wants perpetual power wants it that way. If you want to follow that move to the south side of Chicago or Harlem. Maybe Mexico City. Or Somalia. Back in the U.S. the Obama Administration prosecuted 44 illegal purchase attempts last year. The Left will never stop oppressing the law-abiding citizenry until they are disarmed. UBC's are for registration. That, coupled with bans leads to confiscations. Ultimately to overt tyranny instead of the soft kind we have today. The real criminals only hope we allow more law-abiding-citizen-impacting anti-gun laws and the whole country becomes a "gun free zone."
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And locutus, even the best citizens in this country have been, are and should be skeptical about having their name on a list. What you read into that and do about it is up to you but base it in reality, not Left wing rhetoric.
It is really hard for me to believe that somewhere, in some agency, there isn't already a 'list' of some sort of gun sales, transactions, etc. I'm not suggesting it is OK to create a national gun registry - my point is - I don't trust the Government when it comes to much of anything - and over the years they have made it clear they don't trust their citizens much either
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Looking at background checks as as an unrealistic way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals or criminals to be, I am reluctant to purchase from a person at table in a gun show. How do I know where that gun came from or how it was attained. Does this straw purchace agent have a ring of thieves supplying him with stolen firearms? It works both ways. Either way background checks won't keep criminals unarmed. That being said, I do believe there are people that wouldn't pass a BC that buy at gun shows. You can't be realistic and not believe that. I also think if they want a gun they can easily get one on the street. Just because someone had an indiscression in their past does not mean they are violent or don't feel the need to protect themselves or their family. I know a couple of people with non violent crimes in their background that I would trust to own a firearm and conversly I know several that would pass a BC that I wouldnt want to see in the same room with a gun. This only proves that most gun laws are irrelavant when it comes to gun crime!!!!!

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