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opaww 06-10-2008 08:22 PM

On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!
 
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The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.


But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.



FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9


1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote =00219)


2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 20087. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)


3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote =00217)


4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)


5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)


7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)


8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. (http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)


9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)


10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)


13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)


14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

ScottG 06-10-2008 10:35 PM

Actually, I don't believe Obama on nearly every subject.

Quasi 06-11-2008 12:39 AM

I have to admit that I think you're right that Obama is more than a little anti-gun and it bothers me. I didn't really research his actual position until now:

http://bluesteeldemocrats.blogspot.com/2007/06/senator-obamas-position-on-gun.html

I'm not one of those people who puts gun rights above everything else, but it's definitely something I will be thinking about between now and November.

Dillinger 06-11-2008 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quasi (Post 27487)
I have to admit that I think you're right that Obama is more than a little anti-gun and it bothers me. I didn't really research his actual position until now:

http://bluesteeldemocrats.blogspot.com/2007/06/senator-obamas-position-on-gun.html

I'm not one of those people who puts gun rights above everything else, but it's definitely something I will be thinking about between now and November.

I think THAT is all anyone from this site could ask of someone who is considering throwing their vote towards the Left.

I appreciate that you are researching all the aspects of any candidate, whether he be yours or that of "the other" party.

You have definitely gained considerable respect from me with this post - not that you necessarily could care less. LOL :rolleyes:

But, for what it's worth, the fact that you seem to be Pro-Obama and are willing to consider all facets of his positions instead of the mindless "Change" drones is worth mention.

JD

RL357Mag 06-11-2008 02:17 AM

Thanks for all the info OPAWW. I knew he was a stout anti-gunner, but I had no idea how stout! I believe it was the May issue of the American Rifleman that detailed some of his voting record, in particular the case of one of his constituents who defended himself from home invasion with a handgun purchased years earlier. In order to avoid prosecuting this man, a vote was scheduled to amend the Illinois law prohibiting self defense with a handgun, Obama voted against it. That was enough for me.

jtmat 06-11-2008 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quasi (Post 27487)
I have to admit that I think you're right that Obama is more than a little anti-gun and it bothers me. I didn't really research his actual position until now:

http://bluesteeldemocrats.blogspot.com/2007/06/senator-obamas-position-on-gun.html

I'm not one of those people who puts gun rights above everything else, but it's definitely something I will be thinking about between now and November.

This site might help... sums up each candidate... well, it is a bit old also has hillary in it.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5623

Obama is a disaster, but we know this... you fight with that in mind

McCain is the unknown. That is scary.

Forgotten already? John McCain's 2004 vote for the Clinton Gun Ban

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5746

We already know what we are up against with obama... with mccain we might be signing over a gold key to anti-gun activists.

When I first started looking into mccain earlier this year, I found a guy who will say anything to get elected... he flip flops on issues worse than any candidate I've ever seen (including Kerry).

The only thing I knew about mccain before was his military service. Being a vet and business owner, I figured mccain would be a sure bet for me....not so.

Even here:


Quote:

From signing onto an amicus brief in support of the individual right to own firearms to attending the NRA Annual Meetings, Republican presidential nominee John McCain is doing everything he can to help America's gun owners forget his past decade of work opposing gun rights.

He glosses over McCain-Feingold campaign finance "reform" legislation, once referred to by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre as "the dirtiest, stinkingest assault on freedom I've ever seen" by saying "I can assure you that my motivation in this effort was directed at these out-of-control amounts of 'soft money' that seeped into federal campaigns — not a desire to restrict the ability of gun owners or any other group of citizens from making their voices heard in the legislative process." (as though being an unintended consequence somehow makes the loss of our free-speech rights any less of an issue).

He glosses over McCain-Leiberman legislation aimed at closing the non-existent gun show "loophole" by saying "I also oppose efforts to require federal regulation of all private sales such as a transfer between a father and son or husband and wife." (yes, this is code-speak for 'I still support efforts that would end private sale of guns at guns shows and likely lead to the end of gun shows altogether').

And now, even as he attempted to gloss over prior statements that he could support an assault weapons ban, depending on the details, he has repeated his belief that there may be a way an assault weapons ban could be drawn that could win his support!
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5701

I'll be glad when the year comes and we have a candidate that TRULY supports the 2nd....

Obama worries me... but I can see him coming...

McCain scares the hell out of me... I can't see him at all....

mrwatch 06-11-2008 01:31 PM

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FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

Make me think back to when we found out the Michigan State Police had a "RED SQUAD." Don't ask me about it, I really never heard much. :(

h&k bigdaddydieseldan 06-22-2008 10:10 PM

I never did believe Obama always knew he was full of bs :mad::mad::mad::mad:


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