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Old 06-28-2010, 05:51 PM   #21
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I agree CA, and what is really going to start getting my goat is the following statement come time for the elections:

"What are all those Right Wingers talking about? Already under this President & Congress gun owners got two Supreme Court decisions in their favor AND they got the right to carry in public parks which they NEVER had under previous administrations".

I heard a version of this last week on the radio and it pissed me right off. The dicsussion had NOTHING to do with guns, but it was brought up as a shot at us, like this is ALL we care about. *growl*

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I wonder what this will do to Cali's "approved list" or the Cali restrictions on interweb ammo-shopping?
I feel bad for the Cali peeps having to deal with all of that crap.

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I am glad that even with the most anti-gun administration ever, gun lovers have continued to fight & win! As for states rights, Arizona has made some great progress, constitutional concealed carry is going to begin very soon now and I know that someone brave enough to now legally manufacter firearms in AZ will step up & begin doing so with no interference from the BATFE (of course that will surely become another court case.)

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This is good news -BUT- the Orwellian Double Speak that is the crux of Heller which claims that a law that demands that government 'shall not infringe' on the inalienable right of the people to keep and to bear arms, is somehow subject to 'reasonable regulation', is NOT worth claiming a major victory over.

We already knew the Second was an individual right,despite the totally bogus and treasonous claim that it was somehow a 'collective right' granted to government because of intentional misapplication of the preamble to the Second.

We did not need the court to 'reaffirm' the Second for 'modern times'-only to OBEY it.

Not to rain on anyone's parade-but now,instead of a 'collective right' argument being made by the hoplophobes,we will be subject to the new terms of 'reasonable regulation',rather than have government obey the law and see all 'gun control' declared illegal as it is.

The Second Amendment declares the inalienable right to keep and to bear arms as OFF LIMITS to the government.

Rather than recognizing this FACT,the courts decided to play both sides,as usual.

As others have stated-this fight is far from over.

The fact is,we have a 5-4 majority,and NOT the unanimous decision that should be rendered by a court that still understands that it too - is subject to the highest law of the land-the Constitution of The United States.

We have socialist progressive activists in black robes like so-called "justice" Ruth BAADER MEINHOF basically asserting that because France and England dont respect the God Given, inalienable rights of their citizens-why should we?

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Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented in Heller and wondered why the right to bear arms was necessary to extend to the states. "[I]f the notion is that these are principles that any free society would adopt, well, a lot of free societies have rejected the right to keep and bear arms."

We have a justice sworn to uphold the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA... and she points to other countries and their policies as her reasoning behind ruling against OUR constitution.
Anyway-whats good and refreshing is to see how many Americans are actually waking up and beginning to understand that weve created a monster by attempting to get government to take care of all our problems-a monster -fedzilla- that will violate our rights to 'keep us safe' and still fail miserably at the task,and we are recognizing that ONLY WE THE PEOPLE can assure our own safety,as Nature and God intended,and as our Founders asserted in so many of their writings and in the Bill of Rights itself.

Bringing government back to Constitutional Lawfulness requires an understanding that our inalienable rights are subject only to end at the exact place our fellow citizens rights begin-NOT where an out of control government being run by social engineers says is a 'reasonable' place to assert its will to 'regulate' our rights for the 'good of modern society'.

This may be a beginning,a reawakening of Americans to the plight and danger of big government,but this isnt just about guns and the Second amendment-this is about Individual Liberty and the principles of limited government our Republic was founded upon.

Either we will have a government that respects the restraints placed upon it by the Constitution,or we will have a government that defines the terms of its own limits by asserting 'reasonable regulation' to assert unlawful authority over our inalienable rights.

And I believe that more than ever-were at the crossroads.

Keep up the fight.

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This is good news -BUT- ..., is NOT worth claiming a major victory over.
Yeah maybe. But imagine if it went the other way. That would have been disastrous. Smells like a major victory to me.
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Wonder if Obummer will go after Chicago, D.C., & etc. for their Draconian Gun Laws.

I won't hold my breath.
Nah, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. President Ass-Kick is the same guy who won't enforce border and immigration laws and doesn't care about Article IV Section 4. You think he's gonna sic Holder on anti-gun cities? Not too likely.

It will take a boatload of money spent by private individuals challenging local and state laws, one by one over a long time, before we will start to get back to the way we should be.
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There is a lot of legalize in a couple of those links, but this is a very good day indeed.

What's the over/under on fallout from this latest decision and when it will be challenged??

I am liking today already.
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Yeah maybe. But imagine if it went the other way. That would have been disastrous. Smells like a major victory to me.
Yeah.
I can agree in that light.

And look how close we came to THAT being a reality.

5-4.

All it would've taken was one.

And if this keeps happening-



We wont have a chance in future rulings.
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5-4.
That is the amazing (and scary) thing. How can 4 out of 9 justices misinterpret something as straight forward as the 2A?
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That is the amazing (and scary) thing. How can 4 out of 9 justices misinterpret something as straight forward as the 2A?
Are you asking that rhetorically,or do you want an answer?
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