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Old 08-10-2011, 10:37 PM   #11
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The post is not meant to garner sympathy but rather better understand the mental processes and social philosophies that are involved in support for or against this form of government action.

State nor federal statutes have real effect on stopping someone with a felony from buying any form of firearm and using it for self protection or otherwise.

This is about government action that penalizes an American's Constitutional Right, and American's willing to compromise their liberty for so-called government protection. When we give up one right or allow the government to restrict (Take) that right and then penalize the excerise of such, we are actually consenting to wholesale molestation of our form of government as well as the God granted and Constitutionally protected rights.....
You are correct....
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:55 AM   #12
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When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing; when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors; when you see that men get rich more easily by graft than by work, and your laws no longer protect you against them but protect them against you...you may know that your society is doomed.

So true..........

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Old 08-11-2011, 02:13 AM   #13
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When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing; . . (snip) . . you may know that your society is doomed.
I'd like to 'steal' this. Is it original? Where did you quote it from?
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I do not believe in second rate citizenship. So no, once they have served their time, they have been punished. There are no second rate citizens in America, other than the ones in prison.
Agreed. You should at least be able to have it in your house.
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Agreed. You should at least be able to have it in your house.
So, if a person went on a shooting spree at their junior high school, got convicted, served a ten year sentence inside and five years probation outside (assume "ideal" inmate behavior), and then went into a store to buy another firearm exactly like the one they used in their junior high shooting spree, you guys would be OK with it?

Now if somebody earns their felony doing bank fraud or insurance fraud or something similarly non-violent, i see no reason for them to be denied a firearm for the rest of their stay in the U.S. IMO, if you are convicted of a felony involving violence against your fellow citizens, you have shown yourself to be incompetent to handle the ability to cause permanent damage to your fellow citizens. Fraud, theft, and other non-violent crimes allow the victims a chance at recovery, while a felony involving violence probably does permanent damage to another citizen.
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If a person went on a shooting spree anywhere then that person should be either serving life plus 1 day or hanging by the neck until dead

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OTOH, Opaww, if LE makes a law-abiding citizen a permanent

criminal in status, can we not expect them to embrace their

criminality at some point?

As gun owners, WE ALL face the possibility of being brought up on,

and convicted of criminal charges, in the event a variety of

bad scenarios should turn against us.

A bad vehicle search, a home defense gone bad, any number of other

possible situations could get you branded as a criminal for life.

Then, for no truly valid reason, you could be treated as

a criminal, and disallowed firearms usage for life.

Once you were in this situation, would you not think to

yourself "Well if they're going to treat like a criminal for life, and allow

me no chance at redemption to citizen status, why

should I obey the law? "

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I believe that they should regain their rights unless they were convicted of a violent crime (felony only) If they only commited a non violent felony such as larceny or burglary, I believe they should be able to regain their 2nd amendment rights after serving their time and serving a probationary period.

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If a person went on a shooting spree anywhere then that person should be either serving life plus 1 day or hanging by the neck until dead
I don't disagree, but Manson still comes up for parole pretty regular, doesn't he.
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Yep and I thought they were going to let him go last time, but nope no way...Supprised the sh_t out of me.

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