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Old 01-16-2011, 06:10 AM   #51
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There are idiots anywhere you go. And if some white supremacist group forms a militia for the purpose of killing black folks and wants to overthrow the government they believe is controlled by Jews, that's unquestionably bad.

But there are a LOT of militias out there, and most of them aren't like that at all. The media, by illustrating the few militias out there that are nuts, implies all militias are nuts. So while it's not "made up" by the media, the media has deliberately shaped public opinion of what militias are through lies of omission.
^^^^^^ What he said!!^^^^^^

Thank you Sir, I couldn't have said it better.
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Y'know, Freddy, a response like that isn't going to help us win over support, or, at the very least, respect and understanding for our own opinions.

So, he doesn't share your point of view, so your first response is to start laying down insults?

Why not try to have intelligent discussion? He obviously came to OUR forum, which means that he's probably willing to be open-minded, and you respond by acting like a fourth-grader, treating it as a "if you're not with us your against us" mentality?

Seriously. WTF is wrong with you?
Hey pal, there is no intelligent conversation with a obvious troll. If you want to cater ...let that be on you.
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Default Keeping track of American firearms used in Mexico drug wars.

Quite by chance the New York Times had an article today about American firearms used in crimes in Mexico. So far 60,000 weapons have been traced to American gun dealers who operate in the four border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

President Obama is trying to set up a commission that will require gun dealers in these four states to report to the ATF purchases of multiple weapons, but no approval has been forthcoming. It was stalled in the Justice Department and now stalled by the ATF because of complaints by gun lobbies that to keep these records would be illegal and might threaten the Second Amendment. Would it?

The administration promises it will set up this commission, despite the objections. Mexico is begging that we investigate the people who are buying the arms and smuggling them into their country. The murder toll from the drug wars last year was 30,000 for all the country. From what I've read many of the cartel members are Mexican teenagers who are high on drugs when they murder. There seems to be no rhyme or reason who they murder. They have murdered teens at parties, people in drug treatment clinics several times, Americans, many law enforcement officers, prosecutors. Some police chiefs don't make 24 hours from the time they are first appointed to the time they are killed.

This is a crisis sure to have consequences for us.

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Others can comment with specifics, but I believe that number is inflated. There is the number of firearms seized versus the number that can be shown to be traced back to specific points of sale. The latter number is very small.

Ponder this: Mexico has very strict gun-control laws: NO ONE may own a firearm. Yet it is one of the deadliest nations on earth.

The ATF does not have the authority to mandate that a certain number of sales per unit of time to one individual must require the seller to register (essentially) the serial numbers with the individual. That runs against state and national laws. This amounts to legislation by bureaucratic fiat and is illegal.

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The administration promises it will set up this commission, despite the objections. Mexico is begging that we investigate the people who are buying the arms and smuggling them into their country. The murder toll from the drug wars last year was 30,000 for all the country. From what I've read many of the cartel members are Mexican teenagers who are high on drugs when they murder. There seems to be no rhyme or reason who they murder. They have murdered teens at parties, people in drug treatment clinics several times, Americans, many law enforcement officers, prosecutors. Some police chiefs don't make 24 hours from the time they are first appointed to the time they are killed.
Very true. It is also true that Mexico has all of these problems because US citizens have an insatiable appetite for dope. Despite this insatiable appetite for dope; there is no national drug prevention and awareness policy in the US.
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Lets build the friggin fence already!! Stop the flow of crap in both directions!! It seems they try to distract us with this or that, when to me, the most important thing we can do is to just plain "SECURE THE BORDER!!!!"


Fences, big fences, with razor wire, lots of razor wire, with guys, big guys with guns, big guns, in towers, big towers,with little signs, in english, that say US SOIL NO TRESPASSING, USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED

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Lets build the friggin fence already!! Stop the flow of crap in both directions!! It seems they try to distract us with this or that, when to me, the most important thing we can do is to just plain "SECURE THE BORDER!!!!"


Fences, big fences, with razor wire, lots of razor wire, with guys, big guys with guns, big guns, in towers, big towers,with little signs, in english, that say US SOIL NO TRESPASSING, USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED
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Very true. It is also true that Mexico has all of these problems because US citizens have an insatiable appetite for dope. Despite this insatiable appetite for dope; there is no national drug prevention and awareness policy in the US.

WTF? So your logic is because some people in America use dope that's the cause of all of Mexico's problems? Nobody is holding a gun to a Mexican's head telling him to produce dope. He does it because he's an evil bastard. Maybe the Mexicans should have another revolution and get rid of all the corruption in their government. Why don't they fix their own country instead of coming here and turning our country into the same kind of sh!t hole theirs is. Build the damn fence.
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Words do change meaning, very true. Just like "Militia" means "group of racist, misogynist hillbillies who are really a codeword for a group of people who want to enforce white supremacy" to a lot of people.
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I have had a CCW Permit issued under six different sheriffs here in eastern Iowa dating back to 1968. The very word "permit" implies "government granting permission" to do something. Iowa is one of several states that do not have a '2nd Amendment' written into their state constitutions, so I have never had a serious objection to the procedure as long as I was not denied.

Last year saw a successful effort in our state legislature to make Iowa a "Shall Issue" state, whereas before 99 sheriffs in 99 separate counties had 99 diverse permitting procedures resulting in a 'may issue' environment, which could not be recognized by many other states for reciprocity.

In writing the law, our legislators also made it open/concealed carry optional. Most people and the left-wingbat media do not understand that the purpose was to prevent revocation of the permit and confiscation of the firearm from permitees who accidentally allowed their weapon to "peek" out from the place of concealment and were reported by some nervous Nellie to law enforcement. Consequently, last fall before the law's January 1, 2011 effective date, bleating sheep in the public and media were crying and wringing their hands with predictions of people openly carrying shotguns and pistols in public, followed by a spate of O K Corral-type shootouts. Of course, none of this has or will happen.

Those of us who have had to qualify on the range for permits in the past, and who understand that in a life and death scenario you are only HALF AS GOOD as on your BEST day at the range, are also somewhat nervous about the new law's lack of a range qualification requirement. It's all about the mindset of the individual, his recognition of his responsibility for what happens when he turns a round loose and the importance of hitting that at which you are aiming.

New initiatives in our legislature this session to fine tune the law and to propose a Constitutional amendment to protect our right to keep and bear arms are in the works. At the same time, municipalities statewide are considering ordinances to restrict our right to carry on public property, and a state Attorney General's opinion states that business owners can ask you to leave (subject to being arrested for trespassing if you refuse) if you are carrying on their private property. To these people, all guns are bad unless they are in the hands of government and law enforcement. That is the position of government and must be resisted and reversed through education. It is similar to hanging a sign on your front door that reads, "GUN FREE ZONE". Criminals don't care about laws or postings, or private rights.

The mindset of the carrier of weapons to which I referred earlier has to fall into one of three categories: (1) Sheep, (2) Wolf, (3) Sheepdog. A Sheep doesn't want to have anything to do with guns and have a victim mindset. The Wolf is always around to take advantage of the Sheep's mindset - even kill them. The sheepdog recognizes the presence of Wolves and an obligation to protect the Sheep by carrying a gun. By denying the Sheepdog his right to carry a weapon near them, the Sheep give the Wolves the advantage.

We will see if common sense will prevail in Iowa and elsewhere.

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