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clip11 11-21-2010 01:18 AM

Right to bear arms? More like privilege
So I was at the gun shop paying on my pistol today. As some of you may know, here in Michigan you need a permit to purchase a pistol. Well here in Detroit, it was free. Today I found out that now they charge ten dollars. What will it take to get government to recognize the 2nd amendment? I thought we had a right to bear and keep arms. With CPL permits and purchase permits, it gets more like a privilege to bear arms. When will it change? How can we get it to change?

JonM 11-21-2010 02:16 AM

it didnt really start with guns guns are just one of many freedoms liberals are trying to remove. they want to tell you how to live where you can live and every little thing you can or cant do.

think about it. they tell you where you can and cant smoke.
they force you to wear setbelts its not a choice.
they force motorcyclist to wear helmets
they force gas stations to sell only govt approved gas
in most states light bulbs are even becoming illegal
they determine for you how much water your toilet uses
they take more of your paycheck to enforce the above and much much more.

gun control is just a minor thing compaired to what they really want to do. we dont seem to care about what happens to other freedoms when the liberals come after em.

after all, laws to enforce seatbelts and toilet flushes are for your own good arent they???

CHLChris 11-21-2010 02:22 AM

The nanny state will always go as far as we let them and keep trying to go farther.

I think that is for 2 reasons:

1) To self-justify they DO things like passing laws, writing regulations, try to solve problems that may or may not be there.

2) Government is like a teenage boy with his girlfriend. He'll keep pushing a little farther each nookie session and will go as far as the girl allows.

collegekid20 11-21-2010 03:44 AM

while all of the above is true, the 2nd amendment must be given our utmost attention and effort to keep it's true meaning in tact, Which is to carry when and where any armament we want, because the rest of our rights are useless if you cannot defend them.

JonM 11-21-2010 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by collegekid20 (Post 389648)
while all of the above is true, the 2nd amendment must be given our utmost attention and effort to keep it's true meaning in tact, Which is to carry when and where any armament we want, because the rest of our rights are useless if you cannot defend them.

well we arent honestly going to go shoot congressmen when they do evil things. hell, they dont even go to jail for criminal acts. kennedy murders a girl and he gets a free pass even oj could only dream of and made a freekin hero. barney frank runs a child prostitution ring out of his apartment blames his boyfriend for it and he too is a hero. rangel dodges millions of dollars of taxes and he is destined for posing for his holy pics.

thats why mccain spent so much time trying to negate free speach with the mccain feingold finance reform law. a socialist like mccain knows where the true power is. the right to speak and the right to vote. thats why soon as the election season is over mccain and other socialist go right back to amnesty and promoting illegal immigration. dilute the vote. when the power to speak and vote are gone they will take our guns have no doubt.

they erode away minor stuff to get us used to the government knows best thing to dull us into a sense of false safety. so they chip away at minor thing and we sit there worrying about our own pet cause. when the liberals went after the smokers every conservative smoker or not should have helped defend them and on down the line an assault on one freedom you dont care about doesnt mean your not next.

winds-of-change 11-21-2010 07:16 AM

Here in Illinois I had to pay $10 to get my Firearms Owner Identification Card.

And JonM, I don't even want to TALK about the money they take out of my paycheck. It is absolutely outrageous. Whenever I get paid I just stare at the amount taken out. I would really like to be using that money to live on. After all, I earned it!!

CHLChris 11-21-2010 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by JonM (Post 389653)
a socialist like mccain

This is totally off-topic so I'll be quick.

To call a conservative with some neo-con leanings (open borders) and a few lefty thoughts (man-made global warming) a "socialist" totally erodes the word's meaning. If you truly believe that, then what word does one use to describe Bill Ayers? Robert Reich? Paul Krugman? Nancy Pelosi?

THEY are socialist marxists. Please don't minimize the word, Jon.

JTJ 11-22-2010 12:40 AM

In Arizona I can walk into a gun store and walk out with a gun in hand. We have instant backround checks. I do not need a permit to buy, own or carry even concealed. I do have a CCW and it allows me to carry concealed in states that recognize Az permits. When are the rest of you going to throw the bums that did this to you out? How many of you are supporting members of the NRA? I am an Endowment member and an FNRA Commitee Member.
In California the voters passed a Constitutional amendment by general ballot that took away the State Senate's apportionment by county and made it by population. The State Senate had a Republican majority and kept the rest of the state in line. With apportionment by population, the Cities of San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego took control of the State. At that point nobody elses vote mattered and it was the beginning of the end of Freedom. It is now known as the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. The majority of the counties are Republican but they dont have the population to counter the 3 main cities. Northern Californians would like to split into a separate state by the name of Jefferson.

CHLChris 11-22-2010 03:12 AM

A map in red/blue by county in this huge country is a massive sea of red, especially this year. Even in 2008 when Obama won in such a strong manner, the country was a sea of red.

It's too bad so much of that red sea is cattle, cornfields, and forests.

Sushihunter 11-22-2010 03:38 AM

As a Canadian, I wish we had a 2nd ammendment written into our constitution.

You Americans make sure you defend it given any and every chance.

With the NRA you have access to some of the best political info going. Find out who is pro-gun and who is anti-gun and vote appropriatley!

There is reason why the Democrats have been so reluctant to open up the gun control issue in many campaigns the last few years - it costs them dearly!

Hang in there, now.

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