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Old 06-23-2011, 05:49 AM   #1
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Default Restaurant Security Glad That Customer Needed A Handgun To Buy A Cheeseburger

South Bay Open Carry member and former US Marine, Christopher Hacopian, shows Assemblyman Anthony Portantino why a common, law-abiding Californian might need a handgun to buy a cheeseburger. The Assemblymember's empty, anti-gun rhetoric holds no water when challenged with reality.

Restaurant Security Glad That Customer Needed A Handgun To Buy A Cheeseburger - Oakland Gun Rights | Examiner.com

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Old 06-23-2011, 06:07 AM   #2
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The state of gunlaws in California is a sad one indeed.

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Another good piece...keep them comming

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Link didn't work for me.

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Thanks yih!! That is a truly inspiring article.

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This seems to go against a lot of what I have read about carry on this board. One of the examples was a guy who tags along with a security guard from Denny's to detain a person for allegedly leaving without paying. From the posts I have read the consensus among CCW carriers is that they are not the police and only carrying for self defense, which is clearly not the case in the example in the article.

Are the reasons for open carry different than those for concealed?

If you do carry, do you consider yourself to be sudo police authorized to use your weapon to assist in detaining people who are clearly not a direct and immediate threat?

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The actions of Hacopian are questionable. Borderline vigilante. Would have been much different if the suspect was carrying a weapon, but you can't go playing 'cops and robbers' especially for some guy trying to bail on a $10 bill. This situation is not one that would require defensive use of a firearm.

What the heck kind of Denny's needs to hire security?

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The guy asked the security guard if he needed assistance in the apprehension of the perps. not tagged along hoping for action. When the security guard said yes then he retrieved his handgun and gave assistance but not until then.

As far as it being vigilantly stuff, you need to think about if you are carrying and you come across a rape in progress, Will you walk on by or try and stop the crime in progress? Even at the point of drawing your handgun to stop it. What if it is a child abduction is in progress at a school bus stop? Will you let it happen or try and stop it?

Is that vigilantism or is that a citizen stopping crime?

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The guy asked the security guard if he needed assistance in the apprehension of the perps. not tagged along hoping for action. When the security guard said yes then he retrieved his handgun and gave assistance but not until then.

As far as it being vigilantly stuff, you need to think about if you are carrying and you come across a rape in progress, Will you walk on by or try and stop the crime in progress? Even at the point of drawing your handgun to stop it. What if it is a child abduction is in progress at a school bus stop? Will you let it happen or try and stop it?

Is that vigilantism or is that a citizen stopping crime?
Totally different situations. Abduction, rapes, etc. are felonies where serious harm or death are possible, and are punishable by a max of life in prison.

Fail to pay a bill or simple assault are a max of 90 days, a misdemeanor, which in no way should a gun have been involved. Other than being bullied and pushed around there was no indication of serious harm to anyone. This was a police matter to handle.
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Crime is still crime. Should the young lady in Texas who just yesterday jumped on top of a car to try and stop 3 men from getting away after they walked out of walmart steeling cases of beer be considered a vigilantly?

I think he should of only used only the force to equal the force being applied but he must of felt the need to use more force.

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