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Old 02-09-2013, 04:19 AM   #21
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I have enjoyed reading all of your responses to this thread. It is proof positive that most gun owners are not a violent subset bent on anarchy or apathetic to their fellow human beings.

This having been my first post to this forum, i feel like I will continue to enjoy conversing with you all in the future.

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I've enjoyed reading these posts and, having been born in 1951 I've witnessed several basic differences from my childhood and the last three decades I spent raising my children:
1. My childhood home was in a blue collar neighborhood and we lived next to a factory. I remember my parents citing the factory owner as an example of accomplishment that I should emulate. There was no animosity to a successful businessman. He employed dozens of people and kept his property landscape in good shape. Today we continuously hear contempt for those (of certain political/ideological beliefs) who have achieved financial success.
2. I played baseball with my buddies on a sandlot down the street. We made our bases out of old cardboard pizza boxes and were our own umpires during the contest. When a call was argued we figured it out ourselves, sometimes with a wrestling match thrown in, but we had no adult intervention. We handled it and went on with the game. For the last three decades I haven’t seen a group of kids playing ball without an adult standing over their shoulder telling them every next move to make. The kids are missing important learning experiences due to the adult’s constant need to get involved with every step.
3. One time when I got in trouble at about 12 years old my father had to pick me up at the Police Station. He drove from the station, down past our house and kept on going without saying a word. My head was spinning with thoughts of what was he going to do. He stopped at the State Prison about ten miles from our home, turned to me and said "look at that place boy. If you don't straighten up, that's where you'll be living." To this day I remember that prison as the ugliest building I've ever seen and the experience did send an effective message. Today the kids can curse at the teachers (New York City's newest liberal, politically correct policy) without receiving any discipline. Kids do something wrong and the parents blame the teachers, school system, politicians and everything else except the kid and themselves.

Today’s kids are no different then we were. The child raising practices and education by adults have changed significantly.

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Born in 67.

I tell my sons, "My job is to raise 2 fine men, I will do that." If we can be buddies along the way that is great.

Teaching them discipline, responsibility, a work ethic and honesty are my
goals.

To paraphrase my Mom and Dad, I will always love you dearly, but some
days I don't like you much...

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Born in 67.

I tell my sons, "My job is to raise 2 fine men, I will do that." If we can be buddies along the way that is great.

Teaching them discipline, responsibility, a work ethic and honesty are my
goals.

To paraphrase my Mom and Dad, I will always love you dearly, but some
days I don't like you much...
growing up, my father was father to my brother and i, first and foremost. if we stepped out of line, there was never any doubt that discipline wouldn't be doled out and painfully remembered. but i can honestly say, he was a fair man, though strict.

our father wasn't a mean man, nor did he abuse us. he did spend time with us when he could. we did many things together growing up, such as him taking us fishing, or to baseball games, target shooting and teaching us to shoot. he would take us to museums and car shows and many other things as well. but he was our father and not our friend.

today, i am glad he made that distinction and knew that he was needed as father and not our friend. i feel now it shaped my brother and into the men we have become. i have much affection and respect for my father for doing things the way he did, even though growing up, sometimes i didn't understand.

growing older and more mature, my father and i have a special relationship now. he treats my brother and i more as equals, rather than his sons. even though he's in pretty good shape, i still see the age in his eyes and i know that he like myself is getting older, so i wil cherish the time we have and enjoy the the time i am allowed to spend with him. with no shame, i can still say my father is someone i look up to and always will.
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Born 1960, Got my azz whipped when I needed it. Got lectures, got hauled to church, had boundries. Had lots of encouragement. When I crossed those bounderies I got my azz whipped. I always felt loved even when my azz hurt.

Bottom line, if you aren't the principle influence in the childs life others will be. Wrappers, mtv, gangs, socialist teachers, bogus athletes, communist presidents.

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This was well put and needed repeating.

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Bottom line, if you aren't the principle influence in the child's life others will be.
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