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Old 09-18-2011, 02:11 AM   #21
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how are going to know it was a reload?.
when they execute a search warrant on your home and find the reloading gear. or a forensic examination of the bullet and spent case. brands of case and bullet not matching. factory gunpowder smells different than commercial powder. any number of factors. but its really not a factor unless your putting something wierd like poison or explosives in the bullet it really doesnt matter.

it will only be a factor if it goes from self defense to murder.
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lets say it was a 44 or 357 so if no die set no bullet cases they would not have a case IMO.
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If ammunition was going to be a factor we'd all be carrying 22lr. so we wouldn't piss of a lawyer.
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This subject has been beaten to death elsewhere.
I'm no lawyer, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express.
There will be no shortage of issues to be dealt with in the event of a SD shooting. Reloads add, what IMHO, is an unecessary variable. They may not become an issue at all, or they become a pain in the @$$. You won't know till it happens. Why give anyone another thing to call into question?
How many billable hours ($180+ per hour last I looked) will it cost you to get the reload question settled? Thought of in these terms, factory SD ammo looks much cheaper. To me, anyway.
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This subject has been beaten to death elsewhere.
I'm no lawyer, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express.
There will be no shortage of issues to be dealt with in the event of a SD shooting. Reloads add, what IMHO, is an unecessary variable. They may not become an issue at all, or they become a pain in the @$$. You won't know till it happens. Why give anyone another thing to call into question?
How many billable hours ($180+ per hour last I looked) will it cost you to get the reload question settled? Thought of in these terms, factory SD ammo looks much cheaper. To me, anyway.
You make an excellent point, unless the defendant shoots primarily

reloads. Then the prosecution may want to claim the defendant bought

"special lethal factory ammo" specifically to kill their client.

As such, I personally avoid "double tap" or any SD ammo or

hollow-points box with aggressive advertising upon it.

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If ammunition was going to be a factor we'd all be carrying 22lr. so we wouldn't piss of a lawyer.
No, then they would question the well known maiming potential of the .22 LR. You wanted the person to suffer, didn't you? The .22 enters and bounces all around causing undue pain and suffering!
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EVERYTHING is an issue for the plaintiff's attorney. NOTHING but the justification for the shooting are real issues. Personal Injury lawyers make their living by making the unimportant seem important.
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If any of you have been following witness statements on HR822,

and I imagine some of you have, the most illuminating statistic

is empiric data, which proves that CCW permit holders nationwide

are literally the most law-abiding, non-violent citizens in America.



Unfortunately, mere lowered crime statistic and favorable data aside,

when you kill a BG in SD, there's a trend towards his becoming a latter

day saint, who, as usual, "just started to turn his life around" that

very morning. An aggressive prosecutor has no ethics or morals,

and only wants a "win" for his "team", justice be damned.

So it's an uphill fight, any way you look at it.

I would certainly not

specifically reload SD rounds only, but if all I'm going to generally shoot

is reloads, what then?
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You make an excellent point, unless the defendant shoots primarily

reloads. Then the prosecution may want to claim the defendant bought

"special lethal factory ammo" specifically to kill their client.

As such, I personally avoid "double tap" or any SD ammo or

hollow-points box with aggressive advertising upon it.
If asked on the stand:
Why do I carry factory vs. reloads for SD? Because my reloads are practice or match ammo.
My carry ammo is Winchester Ranger T or Federal Hydrashock, depending on what caliber I'm carrying. Both are standard ammo for LE agencies all over. Thus presumed to be no more lethal than PC policies would allow.
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Most prosecutors do a good job. This stuff about all prosecutors being out to get folks who use guns for self defense is blown way out of proportion. Our former Comanche County, OK prosecutor gave three passes on righteous shooting deaths in a 18 month period. That's right; passes. No charges, no grand jury, no nothing.

When the OK prosecutor declines to take a shooting case to the grand jury the friends and love ones of the late perp can take up a petition for a grand jury: Good luck with that.

Comanche County DA Robert Schulte gave a pass in this case:

No charges expected in deadly shooting | Tulsa World
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