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opaww 01-28-2011 04:02 PM

Quote the CDC
 
I keep seeing anti-gunners/anti-Americans quote the CDC in their posts about the amount of deaths involving guns. None how ever provide a link to their data, nor do they divide the data into proper categories. You can look up the data for yourself here.
Injury Mortality Reports

Anti-gunners,

2007

Homicide w/firearms = 12,632
Suicide w/firearms = 17,352
Total 29,984

I have even read anti-gunners saying that 1,000 people die in the U.S. every day by guns. Which is ridicules at the least, more like stupid.

What is not said here is that the Homicide w/firearms also includes deaths from a low abiding citizen who uses their firearms to protect life. This data is included in the total number of Homicides sense the CDC does not recognize self defense as a legitimate reason to kill others. To the CDC all Homicides are the same except Legal intervention by LEO’s (Law Enforcement Officer).

LEO’s are listed separate from all the other deaths from firearms. LEO only accounted for 351 Legal Intervention Firearms deaths, and 61 Legal Intervention Non-Firearms related deaths for 2007 according to the data from the CDC.

Homicide

2007, All Injury, = 18,361

Medical care, adverse effects, = “Blank” I would say because this deals with medical profession and they do not want to show any adverse effect toward Dr. (just my guess)
Cut/Pierce, = 1,981
Drowning, = 49
Fall, = this is a negative sense there were not enough people being pushed off balconies to justify a report.
Fire/Burns, = 141
Non-Firearm, = 5,729 (this is its own category, and what falls in it I have no idea.)
Poisoning, = 85
Struck by/against, = 173
Suffocation, = 637
Transportation overall, = 30
Other specified, classifiable deaths, = 186
Other specified/NEC, = 586
Unspecified, = 1,846
Total non-Firearms Homicides, = 11,443, the total figures do not add up sense the disparity between All Injury’s and total non-firearms Homicides is 6,918.

The sub-total number of Homicides non-firearms and firearms related = 30,993 – 6,918 disparity = 24,075. To be truly accurate in the figures of Homicides we need to know the total number of Justifiable Homicides non-LEO related, (You and I) which the CDC does not list. A conservative estimate would be about 10% of the total that fall under Justifiable Homicide.

Homicide by Firearms, = 12,632 (remember that your use of a firearms to defend life is considered just a Homicide to the CDC)

Still far less then the total number of Transportation-related over all deaths = 46,067

opaww 01-28-2011 04:03 PM

Suicide

2007, All Injury, = 34,598

Medical care, adverse effects, = “Blank”
Cut/Pierce, = 619
Drowning, = 358
Fall, = 731
Fire/Burns, = 157
Non-Firearm, = 17,246 (again this its own category)
Poisoning, = 6,358
Struck by/against, = (Not enough to count)
Suffocation, = 8,161
Transportation overall, = 131
Other specified, classifiable deaths, = 331
Other specified/NEC, = 236
Unspecified, = 163
Total non-Firearms Suicides, = 34,491 the total figures with a disparity between All Injury’s and total non-firearms Suicides is 107.

The total number of Suicides for 2007 is 51,950 +/- 107 disparity, almost the total number of people killed in automobile accidents every year.

Transportation-related over all, = 46,067

This indicates that there is just over twice the number of non-firearms Suicides then Suicides with Firearms.

Just a note here, not all categories of Suicides are covered here such as hangings, though they may throw this in under the Suffocation because most who die from Suicide by hanging Suffocate to death.

Suicide by Firearms, = 17,352

opaww

dunerunner 01-28-2011 04:12 PM

They don't want the ACTUAL number out there, they don't care about the actual numbers if the first place. It is about the end goal the Progressive cares about. One Global government, everyone disarmed, back to the middle ages with you peasants!!

Thanks for th link and the post opaww!!

dog2000tj 01-28-2011 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dunerunner (Post 431564)
They don't want the ACTUAL number out there, they don't care about the actual numbers if the first place. It is about the end goal the Progressive cares about. One Global government, everyone disarmed, back to the middle ages with you peasants!!

Thanks for th link and the post opaww!!

+1 That pretty much sums it up. The first question I ask when someone spouts off about how many firearms deaths their are each year is to ask them how many automobile deaths are there? Almost unanimously they are shocked by the number yet they won't extend their rational to ban automobiles? :confused:

:mad:

CA357 01-28-2011 06:35 PM

Sam Clemens said that there are three types of lies: "Lies, damn lies and statistics".

bkt 01-28-2011 07:31 PM

Much of the time, you can cite whatever statistics you want and if it sounds legitimate enough, very few people will actually verify what you say. Most people are lazy. Many people are stupid. And they vote. :mad:

pandamonium 01-29-2011 05:29 AM

I would like to see the true, yearly number of legal gun owners who have killed some one illegally, as in NOT a self defense shooting. That number would probably make the gun-grabbers start stuttering and mumbling!

AcidFlashGordon 01-29-2011 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandamonium (Post 432056)
I would like to see the true, yearly number of legal gun owners who have killed some one illegally, as in NOT a self defense shooting. That number would probably make the gun-grabbers start stuttering and mumbling!

Naw. They'd just piss and whine that those numbers were "made up" by the gun-toting right wing extremists and continue on with their mindless, factless drivel against guns and their owners.

bkt 01-29-2011 12:16 PM

Gun Facts is a pretty good start. Data sources are included.

Bigdog57 01-30-2011 02:14 PM

I read once that more people are killed and injured yearly due to bath tub related accidents than due to firearms - dang, whodathunk showers were so dangerous!? :o


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