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Our country has a "Right of Center" position on most political, economic and social issues.
Gun Control is a disease of both the extreme left and right wingnut fringes.
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08-01-2012, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JD1969
Greg, I think you are onto something here. Some of the Libs I know (they are more like left of center, not hard core nut bags) are starting to come around. Myself and a couple friends have taken out new shooters, many of them female, and introduced them to safe firearms handling and shooting. A good friend of mine is a HS teacher, and being in IL, we all know that many of the teachers here are hard core libs, but he has told me that many are coming around on the issue of firearms rights. People in IL are sick of Chicago running the whole damn state, I'm not even in the same county as Chicago, but yet the city makes many of the rules.
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JD1969, thank you for doing your part to educate! Imagine what would happen if everyone did what you did with just two non-shooters they know. The exposure alone would work miracles on this shortsightedness the media has on this subject.
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"In a State of Nature, it is true, that a Man of superior Force may beat or rob me; but then it is true, that I am at full Liberty to defend myself, or make Reprisal by Surprize or by Cunning, or by any other way in which I may be superior to him. But in Political Society ... if I attempt to avenge myself, the whole Force of that Society is ready to complete my Ruin."
-Edmund Burke, A Vindication of Natural Society (1757), original spelling and punctuation.
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08-01-2012, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by canebrake
Our country has a "Right of Center" position on most political, economic and social issues.
Gun Control is a disease of both the extreme left and right wingnut fringes.
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Cane, I think you hit the subject right on the head - firearms ownership is the enemy of the extreme, no matter which way, as it forces governments to fear their populace and therefore serve the public instead of the politician's own personal whims. The forefathers intended the 2nd Amendment to protect the 1st Amendment and limit government, not be used for "Hunting purposes."
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Edmund Burke: “The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.” – 1784 speech. Taken from Founding Fathers Notes
"In a State of Nature, it is true, that a Man of superior Force may beat or rob me; but then it is true, that I am at full Liberty to defend myself, or make Reprisal by Surprize or by Cunning, or by any other way in which I may be superior to him. But in Political Society ... if I attempt to avenge myself, the whole Force of that Society is ready to complete my Ruin."
-Edmund Burke, A Vindication of Natural Society (1757), original spelling and punctuation.
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08-05-2012, 02:36 PM
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Cane, I think you hit the subject right on the head - firearms ownership is the enemy of the extreme, no matter which way
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that is an incredibly good point. Ill surely use that as a talking point in the future should the point arise.
off topic as it may be, i wait for the day that the news has to report that a man stopped a psychopath who brought an "assault weapon" to (public place) by illegally bringing in his concealed weapon onto (public place that dosent allow CCW). i wonder how exactly the media would treat that if it has not already happened. i already know they completely ignored the old man in the coffee shop in Florida 3 days prior to aurora.
how much more sensationalized, or de-sensationalized, would aurora have been if he killed 2 and injured 5 after a man shot back and killed him with his CCW he illegally brought into the theater.
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08-05-2012, 02:44 PM
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Maybe the American public is starting to see the light...
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Let's hope so. But with the far left, bitterly anti-American school teachers union controlling the brainwashing of our kids in the classroom, the future sometimes looks kinda bleak! 
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08-05-2012, 03:04 PM
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Crazy as an outhouse Rat!
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polls can be skewed to get the results one wants to find to support their claims. a lot of it has to do with demographics and the polling questions and how they are asked.
gun control laws have failed, and they always will fail. simply because those they wish to control, because of their very nature never played by the rules in the first place, the criminals! now if we can get the criminals to adhere to the gun control laws, then maybe gun control laws might work.  but as they are criminals because they failed in the first place to abide by the laws, must we assume that passing more laws will make them start abiding by the new ones? damn, that makes my head hurt trying to chase that notion around. sounds almost like a dog chasing his tail to me. the only person ever controled is the law abiding citizen, because he abides by the law.
simply put, until there is massive overhaul of how criminals are dealt with, they can pass a new gun control law everdy until doomsday and it will never have the outcome they want to happen and that is stopping criminal acts. stiffer and stricter penalties and punishment for criminal acts is the first step. making a prison a place they will not want to return to for a second engagement rather than the country clubs many of them are now. take away good time served. if a man is convicted and he gets ten years, he serves ten years of hard labor. work him from sunup to sundown hoeing a field, chopping brush, stamping license plates or making products for schools and such. many criminals simply don't fear going to prison a second time, much less the third or fourth either. until we change how criminals are dealt with, there is not anyway that there can be a change in the criminals mindset.
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08-05-2012, 06:34 PM
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08-05-2012, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by american121
The politicians capitalize on shooting events to promote their own agenda. To make Americans fear and oppose firearms & To rid you of your means of resistance to the implementation of the 'New World Order'.
Have you seen the video 'Blueprint For Tyranny' - If you watch the two hour video, you will understand the full scope and actions being taken to rid us of our firearms. When watching the video, you will recognize that Current Events do match up with what is defined in the video. Know the real origin of Gun Control so that we might be able to fight it at its source.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYinZyxjsZM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Be very careful about dismissing this as a hoax, or you, your child and/or grandchild will end up living life as a slave.
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Friend, you've posted this same vid in half a dozen threads today...ENOUGH ALREADY...we get it. You're preaching to the choir here...just sayin'
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