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Overkill0084 07-11-2013 02:03 PM

Politicized ‘Science’: No, Castle Doctrine Does Not Increase Violent Crime
 
Useful info for when the subject of (Evil) Castle Doctrine comes up:

http://pjmedia.com/blog/politicized-science-no-castle-doctrine-does-not-increase-violent-crime/?singlepage=true

Quote:

When George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin, anti-rights politicians and media saw an opportunity to sway public opinion in favor of repealing state “castle doctrine” laws. All they needed was supportive “research.”
Enter Cheng Cheng and Mark Hoekstra, both of the Texas A&M University Economics Department — they published a paper titled “Does Strengthening Self-Defense Law Deter Crime or Escalate Violence? Evidence from Expansions to Castle Doctrine.” They concluded that “castle doctrine” had no beneficial impact on burglary, robbery, and aggravated assault. They also claimed that the result of “strengthening self-defense law is increased homicide.” Their conclusion: enhanced self-defense laws caused more murder.
The media ate it up. The Chicago Tribune ran an article titled “Report: ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws lead to increase in homicide.” Think Progress, while covering Alaska governor Sean Parnell’s signing of the state’s new Stand Your Ground law, wrote: “Studies have shown that Stand Your Ground laws are discriminatory, associated with higher homicide rates, and don’t deter crime.”
Had the media actually explored available data themselves, Cheng and Hoekstra’s research would have been marginalized instead of lauded as evidence that “castle doctrine” should be repealed.


It continues with a fair bit of detail and some colorful charts.

This probably isn't the most exciting discussion starter in forum history, but it is informative.

JonM 07-11-2013 02:42 PM

The purpose of castle laws isn't to stop crime or prevent crime its to stop the relatives of murderous thugs from suing the victim of their relative...

In states where there is no castle doctrine a burgler that breaks a window gaining entry cuts himself on the glass can sue the home owner for damages.

nitestalker 07-11-2013 03:12 PM

The "Left" is stinging from the defeat of Obama's gun control legislation. They have had continued losses regarding gun control in Washington D.C. They are now mounting a national movement to change state and local laws regarding firearms.
Bloomberg has started an Anti-Gun organization with 9 million in seed money. The attack on concealed carry is the new target. :(

johnr1943 07-11-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nitestalker (Post 1301475)
...Bloomberg has started an Anti-Gun organization with 9 million in seed money. The attack on concealed carry is the new target. :(

Hopefully, the "seed money" will end up like the rest of this tripe - "seeds of disaster."
:)

alsaqr 07-11-2013 09:22 PM

One thing for sure, righteous self defense killings reduce recidivism: The late scumbag will never commit another violent crime.

Daoust_Nat 07-11-2013 09:47 PM

Considering a side benefit of more guns and more CCWs has been a drop in violent crime, I don't see how a study could conclude that it produces more homicides. Of course my definition of homicide does not include someone who has broken a law and is threatening law abiding citizens who are where they have a legal right to be.

Maybe that should be called assisted suicide?

These people are not out to be your friend, they are out to harm you or your family. Why would you call that homicide?

I also like what Alsaqr typed!

nitestalker 07-12-2013 05:28 AM

Our founding fathers left us a 3 tiered governmental system of check and balance. Legislative, Judicial and Executive. We have since allowed a 4 th non elected not responsible tier. We now have Bureaus that mandate rules which are not constitutional.
The IRS, EPA,DEA,BATFE etc simply dictate rules which do not originate thru the elective process. Gun Control is being planned thru the CDC Center for Disease Control. The CDC will determine gun deaths are a national epidemic and will create rules to restrict firearms ownership. :(

Warrior1256 07-12-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM (Post 1301451)
The purpose of castle laws isn't to stop crime or prevent crime its to stop the relatives of murderous thugs from suing the victim of their relative...

In states where there is no castle doctrine a burgler that breaks a window gaining entry cuts himself on the glass can sue the home owner for damages.

What he said.

TekGreg 07-12-2013 11:47 PM

One thing about Castle Doctrine hat very few people realize or mention, is that it is a strengthening of Title Law. Whether you own your house or rent, you are supposed to have ALL the rights to your home, as well as a right to "Quiet Enjoyment." The idea that you have to retreat out of your own property because some felony-committing idiot decides to target you is ludicrous. This would be like Shell Oil setting up a drilling Derrick in your back yard wiout your permission and the government telling you they were allowed because it was for the public good.

The Castle Doctrine reaffirms the owner's absolute right to quiet enjoyment and the idea that the owner controls ALL of his property and his rights. While retreating from an intruder may allow the criminal to toss the house without interference or threat to his person, the law should allow the homeowner reasonable execution of his rights against trespassers.

Castle Doctrine even helps the anti-gunners. When an anti-gunner is awakened by a family member being raped and picks up a 9 iron and beats the attacker, the law will not prosecute him because he didn't step into the backyard and wait for police while the atrocities continued inside. Many liberals rationalize these laws, but when personally being victimized, their similarity to Charles Bronson or Clint Eastwood is amazing!

JoeSchmuckatello 07-14-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Daoust_Nat (Post 1301820)
Maybe that should be called assisted suicide?

These people are not out to be your friend, they are out to harm you or your family. Why would you call that homicide?

I also like what Alsaqr typed!

Or possibly "Suicide by homeowner?"

They consider it homicide because it was "accomplished" with one of those evil guns. I don't know what they would say if a bat, golf club or any other weapon was used.


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