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locutus 01-17-2013 03:42 PM

Political posturing
 
Obama knows he can't get an AWB through congress. This whole issue is political posturing, to take our minds off of the fact the economy is in the toilet, foreign policy is in total disarray, and the country is going to hell in general.

Ufortunately, we've also got some political posturing on our side as well.

When state legislatures pass bills to stop federal laws from being enforced, it's just political posturing as well.

We fought a civil war over this issue 150 years ago. The federal government will always prevail over state govrnment. Posturing not withstanding.

When a sheriff says he will refuse to enforce federal laws, he is well within his rights. When he says he will arrest BATF agents for enforcing them, he's blowing smoke.

CrazedJava 01-17-2013 03:54 PM

I think everyone needs to calm down. A lot.

Anyone who has read and understood the EO's will see they are largely meaningless with a few of them being either unfunded mandates, which cannot be enforced, or giving POTUS an excuse to spend more money.

Don't get so distracted by the EO's that we lose focus on Congress, where the real fight will be. We need to remind politicians that if they want to retain their job in 2014 they damn well better stop this nonsense.

DrumJunkie 01-17-2013 04:15 PM

I don't know. I know a little about that Ky sheriff. He says it he means it. He's a no sh!t type of guy. He's just one county away from me. Now what happens to him when/if he does it? That's another matter entirely.

I'm inclined to agree with you about the ban thing. I just don't see it passing both houses. But it will be a tool used to try and black eye the people that don't vote for it. I think if Obama really wanted to get some kind of ban in place he would have tried another end around Congress. They might get bits and pieces if they break the whole thing into small parts and try to piggyback other bills. As we know this is pretty common.

I'm not so sure that some type of civil unrest would be so cut and dry for the feds. I can't say the peopel would be able to overrun the feds either. There will be plenty of military to fire on U.S. citizens just like it was not a problem in the civil war long ago. I hear how this or that soldier wont. And I believe them. But I also think there will be plenty that will if called upon.

fmj 01-17-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazedJava (Post 1097721)
I think everyone needs to calm down. A lot.

Anyone who has read and understood the EO's will see they are largely meaningless with a few of them being either unfunded mandates, which cannot be enforced, or giving POTUS an excuse to spend more money.

Don't get so distracted by the EO's that we lose focus on Congress, where the real fight will be. We need to remind politicians that if they want to retain their job in 2014 they damn well better stop this nonsense.

THIS!!!

The sheep are panicked and the flock is stampeding.

This is NOT to say we should stop contacting our erected officials, local, state and fed and voicing where we stand.

Mosin 01-17-2013 05:33 PM

Now I'm more concerned about what laws were passed while the nation was distracted with this...
Everyone who would call him out on BS has been severely distracted by the whole gun thing...

kbd512 01-17-2013 05:48 PM

I'm not sure what everyone got so worked up about. The executive orders amounted to enforcing existing laws, which is entirely legal and prudent. Why existing laws weren't enforced to begin with is beyond my understanding, but that's the extent of his mandates.

The President is asking Congress to enact magazine and semi-automatic firearm bans. The Congress is not going to do that, so it's a political gesture to show the President is "serious" about "gun control". The operative word in "gun control" is not "gun" it's "control". Like all dictators, this dictator is only interested in "control" over the people he dictates to.

If the President was serious about "gun control", he'd be asking for bans on handguns because of the disproportionate number of people killed by handguns. He is not, he just wants to take away any weapons that could pose a threat to his regime implementing any of the other "control" measures.

Chief among Obama's wishes is to curtail freedom of speech (Fairness Doctrine) and to further erode civil liberties pertaining to police powers. I'm really shocked that anyone is surprised at a dictator attempting power grabs or diminishing civil rights. That's kinda what they do.

The "rights" that we have, or "privileges" as I like to call them, really only exist as long as the government chooses to uphold them. Once the will to do that is gone, all democracies become dictatorships and then slowly slip into chaos. We're watching this happen right now. I suspect it'll take another 10-20 years, but we're accelerating along our path to dictatorship and plenty of Americans are cheering the process on.

Hopefully the next administration will fundamentally change the nature of the interaction between government and the people, but I think I have a better chance of winning the lottery than living to see that happen.

danf_fl 01-17-2013 05:50 PM

There is still a budget matter that needs to be worked on......

And the 500 million dollar plan does not help that.

chloeshooter 01-17-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fmj (Post 1097841)
THIS!!!

The sheep are panicked and the flock is stampeding.

This is NOT to say we should stop contacting our erected officials, local, state and fed and voicing where we stand.

erected officials you say? there are so many ways I could go with this one - but I'll take a guess it's just a typo

Garadex 01-17-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chloeshooter (Post 1098105)
erected officials you say? there are so many ways I could go with this one - but I'll take a guess it's just a typo

That's what I thought, but that L and R are fairly far away from each other on the key board.

John_Deer 01-17-2013 10:36 PM

It's not even about controlling the people. It's about controlling the competition. Lately it seems like everyone with a CNC shop and knowledge of firearms is making AR-15s. Soon they will have the connections, marketing and labor force to make conventional firearms. The big gun manufacturers can't have gun making turn into a cottage industry. They have to stop the competition. Just like the last AWB only stopped the importation of firearms from China and Russia. The big gun manufacturers couldn't have an SKS on the cover of Field and Stream with the headline saying the poor mans deer rifle.


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