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Old 03-22-2013, 03:39 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by nitestalker View Post
Be very careful in your condemnation of local police. The World Socialist movement dating to Karl Marx has encouraged the disbanding of local police forces.
In every nation where the Communist movement has prevailed the local police and citizens were disarmed. The nation is then controlled by one central government and Federal police only.
Blaming local police for a law that you do not like really requires more thought and study.

Local PD is a joke... and a bad one that no longer serves the community. The only acceptable police force is one thats led by accountabily. The only accountable top cops are County Sherrifs.

In my 35 minute commute everyday I will see no less than:

3 Vancouver PD CRUISERS
3 WA State HWY Patrol Cuisers
2 Ridgefield WA City PD Cruisers... And at least 1 Battleground PD Cruisers

WTF? No wonder States and Town are bankrupt...
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When you drive through your own community and see your public servants committing violations you should act. The American system only works when its citizens become involved. The American local law enforcement concept is alive and well in most of the nation.
This all reminds me of the 1960s Leftest movements. The street people very Marxist oriented young people called local police "Pigs". The general response of citizens was, "The next time you are in trouble call a "Hippie".
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I do think it is no surprise that elected sheriffs are standing AGAINST the gun banning movement and city-council-run police forces are enforcing the gun banning laws.

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Police supply companies are large customers for arms manufactures . They will continue to provide services to the law enforcement communities.
What kind of law enforcement would be chosen to replace local police Depts. ? Would you prefer that one County unit enforce all laws urban and rural? Why would one County enforcement be more honest? Can all elected officials be trusted?
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Every job and profession has the shady *******. We need law enforcement. I do not have the patients to deal with the idiots and scum in our country. You can do better? Sign up. But I do not believe they should out gun the average Joe.
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#2 Civilians face the same exact threats LE does, before LE does and more often than LE does. Why should civilians be less prepared?

"Law Enforcement"...think about can a law be 'enforced' unless it has been broken?

99% of the time, it's the job of LE is to gather evidence, interview witnesses and locate suspects, all AFTER THE FACT.
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It all goes back to where you live and how your voters view freedom. In many areas elected town boards and Mayors appoint very pro gun police commissionaires.
It seems people who live in "Liberal" states have more of an issue with local police than does citizens of "Red" states. Is the problem the police or is the problem the voters in your state?
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So, you are pinning things on the police that other people are responsible for?

The "war on drugs" has been going on since the early 20th century, but it was Eisenhower's administration that defined the parameters - the police didn't start it...

Last I checked, police are not authorized to prosecute anyone. That would be up to the District Attorney/State/County Prosecutor.

However, I do agree with the overall sentiment that police should be restricted to whatever means the civilian population is. I also feel it should also be applied to federal law enforcement as well.
The only legitimate purpose a police officer can ever serve is in the investigation of crimes already committed. And when I say crime, I mean the deliberate violation of person and property. Not wearing a seat belt doesn't count. Accosting people by force (ie. a terry stop) for questioning is a violation of liberty. If you don't have a warrant, then bugger off.

For example, if government didn't force drugs to the black market, there would be no drug trade, you'd simply go to the pharmacy. Gang wars would cease to exist. Homicide and violent crime would fall dramatically.
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Just think about how wonderful it would be w/o LEO's. You could drink and drive anytime you wanted, teenagers could drive as fast as they want, gang members wuold certainly be happy. The strong could prey upon the weak Let the good times roll. Yep, I'm being sarcastic.

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Old 03-22-2013, 03:38 PM   #30
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There should be LEO's, just they should not be any more armed then the common citizen
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