[davva360]

I am an Englishman living in Florida. Not yet a citizen but a permanent resident.

I am embarrassed by Piers Morgan. I do agree that as he is not a citizen he should keep his mouth shut on matters of the constitution because he is a visitor to this country and should not be trying to change it.

I have the same problems with anyone who comes to this country or my home country and expects the citizens to change the way they live to accommodate them. It is wrong. If you don't like the country go back to where you came from or move somewhere else.

For what its worth I support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I believe they were carefully worded and still apply today. I also like to remind people that there is a method to change the constitution but that it was not made easy because the contents are so important.

The reason that Obama and the liberal types want to ignore the Constitution is because they do not have enough support to go through the official process to amend it. They would rather write laws they know are unconstitutional and hope they are either not challenged or upheld by activist judges.

Personally I still think there is a pretty good chance that additional gun control will not pass but we certainly need to reach out to our Congressman and express our support for the 2nd Amendment.

[Chainfire]

So Rush Limbaugh can froth at the mouth and scream half-truths and pure lies, for hours every day, but we should deport someone with a contrary opinion. If you don't respect the first ammendment, what expectations do you have of your enemies respecting the second?

You should not expect that you can pick and choose the parts of the Constitution you agree with, but at the same time, expect others to accept the second ammendment without question.

[manta]

There are a lot of posts about Piers Morgan morgan the Brit. And him staying out of affairs that don't concern him in America. Coming from N Ireland i find this a bit hard to swallow. Americans have being sticking there noses into the affairs of N Ireland for years. Worse they have supplied money and arms that have being used to murder civilians in this part of the UK. So its a bit rich taking lectures from the USA about Brits sticking their noses into other peoples affairs.

The IRA's main gun runner in the USA was George Harrison, an IRA veteran, resident in New York since 1938. Harrison bought guns for the IRA from a Corsican arms dealer named George de Meo, who had connections in organised crime. Joe Cahill acted as the contact between NORAID and Harrison. In 1971, the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) had already seized 700 modern weapons from the IRA, including 2 tonnes of high explosive and 157,000 rounds of ammunition, most of which were US made.

Example of arms supplied from America used to kill civilians in the UK.

The remaining eleven men were shot at very close range with AR-18 and L1A1 SLR rifles, a 9mm pistol, and an M1 carbine. A total of 136 rounds were fired in less than a minute. The dead and wounded men's bodies fell on top of each other. When the shooting stopped, one of the gunmen walked amongst the dying men and shot each of them in the head as they lay on the ground.[22] Ten of them died at the scene but one, Alan Black, survived despite having eighteen gunshot wounds.

[rocshaman]

You're referring to a government action. I didn't condone or authorize any of those actions and in fact disagree with quite a few of the policies of my government. That said, I still don't like listening to Morgan run his mouth on all sorts of unconstitutional, anti-American, socialist crap. I also feel the same way about other Americans doing it but it's particularly galling when a foreigner does it.

[davva360]

I don't believe he should be deported or fired. I just think as a visitor to this country I do think he should respect the law of the land.

I wouldn't dream of telling Americans what to do, I will save that for when I am a citizen lol

[texaswoodworker]

Originally Posted by Chainfire

So Rush Limbaugh can froth at the mouth and scream half-truths and pure lies, for hours every day, but we should deport someone with a contrary opinion. If you don't respect the first ammendment, what expectations do you have of your enemies respecting the second?

You should not expect that you can pick and choose the parts of the Constitution you agree with, but at the same time, expect others to accept the second ammendment without question.

Limbaugh is an AMERICAN. He has the RIGHT to have a voice about what goes on in HIS country.
Morgan is a BRIT. He has NO RIGHT to have a voice in what goes on in OUR country.

Originally Posted by manta

There are a lot of posts about Piers Morgan morgan the Brit. And him staying out of affairs that don't concern him in America. Coming from N Ireland i find this a bit hard to swallow. Americans have being sticking there noses into the affairs of N Ireland for years. Worse they have supplied money and arms that have being used to murder civilians in this part of the UK. So its a bit rich taking lectures from the USA about Brits sticking their noses into other peoples affairs.

The IRA's main gun runner in the USA was George Harrison, an IRA veteran, resident in New York since 1938. Harrison bought guns for the IRA from a Corsican arms dealer named George de Meo, who had connections in organised crime. Joe Cahill acted as the contact between NORAID and Harrison. In 1971, the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) had already seized 700 modern weapons from the IRA, including 2 tonnes of high explosive and 157,000 rounds of ammunition, most of which were US made.

Example of arms supplied from America used to kill civilians in the UK.

The remaining eleven men were shot at very close range with AR-18 and L1A1 SLR rifles, a 9mm pistol, and an M1 carbine. A total of 136 rounds were fired in less than a minute. The dead and wounded men's bodies fell on top of each other. When the shooting stopped, one of the gunmen walked amongst the dying men and shot each of them in the head as they lay on the ground.[22] Ten of them died at the scene but one, Alan Black, survived despite having eighteen gunshot wounds.

Has Americans interfered with other countries? Yes. Should we unless we are asked by a majority of that countries people? Hell no.

[drvsafe]

I think he's pompous and a predatory douche when he's on the air. He adds no credibility to CNN, his opinions are myopic and quite frankly he is an ass!

Should CNN fire him? Sure, but they won't because half of the population of the US agrees with him and the other half tunes in to hear what he's going to say next so they can hate him even more. And the advertisers onCNN LOVE HIM for that, he boosts ratings. More ratings more money.

[Chainfire]

Originally Posted by texaswoodworker

Limbaugh is an AMERICAN. He has the RIGHT to have a voice about what goes on in HIS country.
Morgan is a BRIT. He has NO RIGHT to have a voice in what goes on in OUR country.



Has Americans interfered with other countries? Yes. Should we unless we are asked by a majority of that countries people? Hell no.

Tex, I think he is a nut too, but the Constitution does not limit free speech to Citizens. He has a right to say anything he damn well pleases, If you don't like what he has to say....don't listen.

If you try to fudge on the 1st, don't blame others for the same thing with the 2nd.

[texaswoodworker]

Originally Posted by Chainfire

Tex, I think he is a nut too, but the Constitution does not limit free speech to Citizens. He has a right to say anything he damn well pleases, If you don't like what he has to say....don't listen.

If you try to fudge on the 1st, don't blame others for the same thing with the 2nd.

Actually, the Constitution does not say anything about non citizens. The argument could easily be made that it only applies to citizens.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

We the People are the citizens of the United States of America.

I wouldn't have a problem with him expressing his opinions (I'd still think he was an idiot though) if he was a CITIZEN.

It's simple. If you want anything to do with this country, become a citizen.

[Chainfire]

Originally Posted by Sonic82

What's the end results of these petitions. Has any of them been addressed? Does anyone know the outcome of those that have?

The end results is, if the petitions are goofy crap, they are ignored, or laughed at. The secession issue is a good example. Most Americans, lowered their heads, shook their heads, rolled their eyes and chuckled over the ignorance of that suggestion. In the South, we have a "polite" saying that would be applied to the folks who support such notions; We would say, "Well bless their hearts."

The point of the whole White House petitions were to give the people the ear of the White House. With several of the petitions supported here, the issues were either unconstitutional or just plain silly. Don't expect any serious actions to those kinds of issues.

Deport someone for exercising the right to free speech? Is that really the America you want?