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Old 04-07-2011, 02:04 PM   #11
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We've got to keep working on sending 2A supporters to Congress and the state legislatures. Hiding a Glock 22 under the mattress and trying to use it when they drive a tank thru your house is not going to be much help. Also, some of the loudmouth macho hero's who don't even bother to vote might give some consideration to actually doing something, like investigating the candidates' voting records and vote for the right ones.

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when I was in the military, I thought that the best way to protect my country was to work for the government. I served to keep guys like obama & Co. out of our country. Now I believe that opposing the government is the best way to protect my country. It just about breaks my heart.

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when I was in the military, I thought that the best way to protect my country was to work for the government. I served to keep guys like obama & Co. out of our country. Now I believe that opposing the government is the best way to protect my country. It just about breaks my heart.
Well, if you're a fan of individual liberty and free-market capitalism then opposing the government we have today (at all levels) makes sense. Our system of government works great as long as the electorate has some understanding of things. They don't.
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It is funny (not ha ha ) That this gov. we have today talks about supplying weapons to the rebels in lybia to fight for their freedoms but want to disarm us and take our freedoms.

The BATFE allowing weapons to be purchased and cross the border to mexico for the cartels to kill people and try to blame the american gun dealers.

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Our country is going down the sh!tter.

This is something I heard one day. I was standing in line waiting to buy my wifes cig's and my chew. (recently passed law that we as a people cannot get our own tobacco in the smoke shop--employees have to go get it) Someone mentioned how crazy this was and a lady said," I don't mind it doesn't bother me."
I replied "It is that right there that allows our government to keep taking our rights away because someday it will be something you do care about but it will be to late."

That is the biggest problem with a whole host of people is they just go along with whatever is decided for them. It is sad really sad.

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The so-called "Patriot" Act is an unconstitutional "proclamation" to allow the federal gov't unlimited authority to do surveillance on anybody and everybody without a warrant. It is not keeping U.S. citizens safe from anything. It is designed to keep a corrupt government safe from its citizens.

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The two Patriot Acts were the biggest affront to our Constitutional rights since martial law was declared 70 yrs ago, yet it's the darling of many Republicans. They're part of the reason that I am now registered Independent.

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I am against the Patriot Act, it reeks to much like Nazi Germany when Hitler was giving unlimited power to his SS and gustapo

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Right on.

How in hades can an a law that allows warrantless searches of ones home and allows folks be jailed for years without charges be constitutional?

"Patriot Act" my butt. It's feel good crap whose real purpose is to spy on Americans.
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I'm doing a paper for school on how Section 215 is effecting libraries and was surprised to see gun owners aren't real happy with it, either (to put it lightly).

after reading the discussion, I have two questions. And please, I am NOT asking these to start an argument; this is to clear up some ambiguity on my part.


According to the vote a larger percentage of Republicans voted for the extension than did Democrats. This coupled with the fact that the Patriot Act was started under the Bush administration, why are people blaming the Democrats/liberals? One person said he is no longer a registered Republican, but what about others?

Thanks!

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It is not an issue of Republican or Democrat, But rather who has the power and can controll American Surfs

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