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Old 03-12-2011, 04:55 AM   #1
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This was on ammoland and GOA. I can scream to New Mexico Senators & Representatives till I am blue in the face, fingers hurt from typing; but, they support the anti's cause!

Will Congress Lay the Groundwork for Gun Confiscation?

Will Congress Lay the Groundwork for Gun Confiscation? - Gun Owners Of America

Within the next 90 days, Congress will vote on whether to reauthorize legislation to specifically allow the government potential access to millions of gun records (4473’s).

Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act, which must be reauthorized soon, is of particular concern.

This section allows the FBI to seize business records -- including the 4473 forms that gun buyers fill out. The only significant caveat is that the FBI must claim that the seizure of records is needed pursuant to “an authorized investigation.”

But since a secret court is required to rubber-stamp the government’s request (unless it fails to make even a specious case), the FBI can easily abuse its authority. The Inspector General found that, between 2003 and 2006, the FBI may have violated the law over 6,000 times with respect to their authority under various provisions of the PATRIOT Act.

So just imagine that it’s your gun records that have been seized. Under such circumstances, the gun dealer is specifically prohibited, under penalty of law, from telling you that the FBI has confiscated the records of your firearms purchases. Under the PATRIOT Act, any limitations on the use of the seized records shall be at the sole discretion of the Department of Justice.

Talk about the fox guarding the hen house!

It is imperative that Congress protect gun owners from rogue government agents who would abuse their authority to register gun owners.

We’ve already seen the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives attempt to register gun owners recently when they tried to require certain gun dealers to report anyone who, within a five day period, tried to purchase two or more semi-automatic rifles (that are .22 caliber or greater and can accept a detachable magazine).

Historically, gun registration has been a prelude to gun confiscation, as documented by the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership almost 20 years ago. They showed how several foreign governments in the Twentieth Century had used gun control -- and quite often gun registration -- to confiscate firearms. In each case, such confiscation was a prelude to genocide.

ACTION: Contact your two senators and insist that any language to reauthorize Section 215 also contain language to protect 4473’s from the Obama administration’s scrutiny. You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your legislators the pre-written e-mail message below.

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Old 03-12-2011, 05:42 AM   #2
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E-mail sent to my gun grabbing-rights denying-liberalarse-commie dimocrap senators. Not that it will change their socialist attitudes.

Rep Lobiondo is pretty good, not super great but in NJ pretty good is ok with me! Thanks for the heads-up Bigcountry!

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the nra will never allow the goverment to take away out right to own guns. but we are all good people on the forum and now might have to pay because of those who are not.

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Big deal, so what? The gov't knows what type of arms that I have, they know what I have in my bank acct, they know my date of birth, soc. sec. #, what type of car I drive and how much I make on a yearly basis. If they want em, come and take them. I applaud this because it brings us one step closer to settling the 2A issue for millenia. Don't be scared my fellow gun loving totin Americans we shall prevail. I say ban' em all tomorrow and lets see whose got nuts? Got Nuts?

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the nra will never allow the goverment to take away out right to own guns. but we are all good people on the forum and now might have to pay because of those who are not.
The NRA is not an armed militia. They can only help get pro 2A legislators elected, lobby and work the courts. If emergency powers were invoked and the Constitution suspended, the NRA officials would probably be the 1st ones arrested. The big question is whether the military would go along with it and fire on American Patriots.
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Big deal, so what? The gov't knows what type of arms that I have, they know what I have in my bank acct, they know my date of birth, soc. sec. #, what type of car I drive and how much I make on a yearly basis. If they want em, come and take them. I applaud this because it brings us one step closer to settling the 2A issue for millenia. Don't be scared my fellow gun loving totin Americans we shall prevail. I say ban' em all tomorrow and lets see whose got nuts? Got Nuts?
I got nuts. And while I'm not itching for a fight, I sure would like some resolution instead of continuing this stupid game of giving-and-taking individual rights.
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I got nuts. And while I'm not itching for a fight, I sure would like some resolution instead of continuing this stupid game of giving-and-taking individual rights.
Plinker has it square on. They already know much about everybody. The key is "When they use their new found power !" Thats when our reaction will be important.
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I'm a bit confused. Has this been something in the Patriot act since 2001 or is this something new?

/I'm against it either way, just curious

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I'm a bit confused. Has this been something in the Patriot act since 2001 or is this something new?

/I'm against it either way, just curious
Here is link to USA Patriot Act:

USA PATRIOT Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Letter sent to my senators and hopefully they listen because i just recently purchased my 9mm pistol, and ar-15 and really don't want to have to give them up because they are scared about thugs who don't care about the law and assume everyone who owns/carries a gun legally is going to turn on the united states government

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