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Old 08-02-2012, 10:05 AM   #21
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Thanks KJ, Im not usually all in or all out on a subject but our Constitution doesnt deserve to be dissected and parsed by mean wells and society shifters. The government is not the authority on the rights we have. They gain any authority they have from the people and god not the subcategories they devise to correct misspeaks and shortsightedness they perceive in our founders very clear directives and objectives.

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November is fast approaching!

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Having to vote for mittens or obama ain't nice......

Socialisms coming,to town..........

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The POTUS decision isn't going to be that tough for me! For Pres, we have 2 choices, Obama and not Obama. Barry Oh's Gotta Go and Im gonna help make that happen with my one little vote!

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Deputy Director William Hoover resigns from ATF in wake of critical report.

Washington (CNN) -- ATF Deputy Director William Hoover has resigned, just days after a congressional report on Operation Fast and Furious sharply criticized him and four other ATF officials for the botched gun-trafficking operation.

Hoover officially retired from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives on Tuesday, according to two senior ATF officials.

Hoover and his boss, Ken Melson, who was acting director of the ATF at the time, were re-assigned last year in a shake-up ordered by Attorney General Eric Holder. Melson remains with the Justice Department.

Hoover was serving as an assistant to the new ATF deputy director when he submitted his retirement papers Monday, officials said.

A report last week by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California, and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, laid much of the blame for the failed gun-running probe on Melson and Hoover in Washington, and three ATF officials in Arizona.

A detailed investigation by the Justice inspector general is expected later this month, and Holder has vowed that he will take action, if warranted, against individuals found culpable in the investigation.

The controversy over Fast and Furious erupted after two of an estimated 1,400 missing weapons lost by the ATF in Mexico, were discovered at the scene of the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

The ATF's planned sting operation to track weapons illegally purchased by straw purchasers bound for a Mexico drug cartel proved disastrous when ATF agents lost track of hundreds of weapons after they crossed the Mexican border.

Holder and his top lieutenants have been on the defensive over the bungled operation that was mounted by one of the Justice Department's agencies. Holder has forcefully ended the practice of allowing guns "to walk" in the hands of illegal purchasers with the intent of tracking weapons to cartels.
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i can't quite understand why Hoover approved Operation Fast and Furious. Hoover, as BATFE director of field operations, put a stop to Operation Wide Receiver after guns were lost in Mexico. Maybe Melson or someone else over-ruled Hoover on F&F.

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Having to vote for mittens or obama ain't nice......

Socialisms coming,to town..........
The list has more to do with which

congressmen and senators have good

track records on BOR freedoms...
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The list has more to do with which

congressmen and senators have good

track records on BOR freedoms...
I was singing along lol.

Anyway,looks like they have their sacrificial lamb.

Hoover will retire,with full benefits of course,and that'll be the end of it.

Nothing else to see here folks,move along..............
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmmm, retirement just seems like such a more difficult

proposal, for the rest of us.

Although, it seems the ATF also took care of

Brian Terry's...

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i can't quite understand why Hoover approved Operation Fast and Furious. Hoover, as BATFE director of field operations, put a stop to Operation Wide Receiver after guns were lost in Mexico. Maybe Melson or someone else over-ruled Hoover on F&F.
Hoover is taking one for the team ..... guaranteed this in NOT the last we will hear of this POS!
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