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Old 03-16-2011, 12:52 AM   #21
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Its just this simple. The guy is a liar and deceitful SOB.
He's proven it several times over. His name supposedly not being on the ballot for banning firearms is a fine example.
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lapierre is not too bright. sending a letter to obama and expecting him to read it, understand, and do the right thing is no different than handing a starving grizzly a letter asking him to read it understand it and not eat you...
While I agree that the Liar in Chief will more than likely NOT read the letter, and if he can find someone to read it to him, will acknowledge the facts that are clearly outlined, and MAY even KNOW that these things are what Americans want and the country needs, BUT, it is NOT part of his agenda to serve the people and uphold the Constitution of the United States of Effin America!!!

Obviously....
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I thought the letter was well written, to the point, no BS. Regardless of the fact that it will be used for toilet paper, I am glad it was sent. I like when Obamalamadingdongs lies are pointed out...
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FAIRFAX, Va. --(Ammoland.com)- Dear Mr. President:

We read your editorial submission to the Arizona Star. However, to focus a national dialogue on guns — and not criminals or mental health issues — misses the point entirely. Americans are not afraid of gun ownership. To the contrary, they overwhelmingly support the fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms. The primary reason why tens of millions of Americans own firearms is that they fear violent criminals roaming the streets undeterred.

We agree with your assertion that “Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing” in light of the shooting in Tucson. In truth, the professional corps of gun control lobbyists moved with lightning speed to exploit the tragedy. These included the Violence Policy Center (“In the wake of these kind of incidents, the trick is to move quickly”), the Brady Campaign (“Gabrielle Giffords Shooting ‘Inevitable’”) and Mayors Against Illegal Guns-MAIG (“Bloomberg, Mayors Outline Steps to Help Prevent Another Tucson Shooting”). Your article contains talking points nearly identical to the ones circulated by MAIG for weeks in pursuit of its longstanding gun control agenda. In contrast, it was the National Rifle Association that avoided “playing politics with other people’s pain” with our consistent response that only thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families were appropriate in the immediate aftermath.

We also agree with your statement that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. Your record as a public official, however, is anything but supportive of the rights of law-abiding gun owners. In fact, when Congress had an opportunity to voice its support for the basic right of lawful Americans to own firearms, you refused to join a bipartisan majority of more than 300 of your colleagues in signing the congressional amicus brief to the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller. In addition, you previously stated (and have never retracted) your support for both Washington, D.C.’s and Chicago’s handgun and self-defense bans that the Court rightfully struck down in Heller and McDonald v. Chicago. Further, you surrounded yourself with advisors who have advocated against the Second Amendment for years (Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Rahm Emanuel, to name just a few) and you nominated Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the U.S. Supreme Court, one of whom has already attempted to eliminate the Second Amendment right entirely. More recently, you selected Andrew Traver to head the BATFE, despite his long-standing association with groups that support onerous new restrictions on our rights.

If you do in fact believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right, we suggest you demonstrate that in your policies and those of your Administration, which you have not done to date. Simply saying that you support the right to keep and bear arms is mere lip service if not put into action.

The government owes its citizens its most vigorous efforts to enforce penalties against those who violate our existing laws. The NRA has members proudly serving in law enforcement agencies at every level. Rank and file law enforcement want to arrest bad people — not harass law-abiding gun owners and retailers.

As for enforcing the laws on the books, we strongly suggest you enforce those that actually take violent criminals off the streets. To start, we urge you to contact every U.S. attorney and ask them to bring at least ten cases per month against drug dealers, gang members and other violent felons caught illegally possessing firearms. By prosecuting these criminals in federal court — rather than state court — strong sentencing guidelines would apply and charges would not be plea-bargained or dismissed, nor would criminals be released after serving only a fraction of their sentences. This simple directive would result in roughly 12,000 violent criminals being taken off the streets every year. Surely you agree that this would be a good first step.

Unfortunately, your Administration is currently under a cloud for allegedly encouraging violations of federal law. We suggest that you bring an immediate stop to BATFE’s “Fast and Furious” operation, in which an unknown number of illegal firearm transactions were detected — and then encouraged to fruition by your BATFE, which allegedly decided to let thousands of firearms “walk” across the border and into the hands of murderous drug cartels. One federal officer has recently been killed and no one can predict what mayhem will still ensue. Despite the protests of gun dealers who wished to terminate these transactions, your Administration reportedly encouraged violations of federal firearms laws — and undermined the firearm industry’s concerted efforts to deter straw purchases through the “Don’t Lie for the Other Guy” program. We hope you agree with our belief that this burgeoning scandal merits a full and independent investigation.

There are additional steps you can take to prevent tragic events such as the Tucson shooting from occurring in the future. One of these is to call on the national news media to refrain from giving deranged criminals minute-by-minute coverage of their heinous acts, which only serves to encourage copycat behavior. If media outlets won’t show a fan running onto the field during a baseball game because they don’t want to encourage that behavior by others — surely they can listen to law enforcement experts and refuse to air the photographs, video messages, or Facebook postings of madmen and murderers.
Another step is to encourage people to report red flags when they see them. In the case of Tucson, a man clearly bent on violence was not reported to the proper authorities by those who had good reason to believe he had serious mental problems. That’s not a deficiency in our gun laws, it’s a deficiency in our mental health system — and should be treated as such.

In closing, we agree that gun owners in America are highly responsible. This is in large part due to the NRA’s 140 years of dedication to promoting safe and responsible gun ownership, an effort on which we take a back seat to no one. We welcome any serious discussion on policies that focus on prosecuting criminals and fixing deficiencies in the mental health system. Any proposals to the contrary are not a legitimate approach to the issue.


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Wayne LaPierre
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Chris W. Cox
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There is no other gun forum!


Besides, it's already being discussed - http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f97/obamas-letter-arizona-post-re-guns-2a-39748/

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I am sorry, didn't see that.

Re: other forum...forgive me, I confess that I have been "unfaithful"
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I'll pick a few statements out of this and what thought as I read it.

These are my opinions.

" Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens."

^He's refering to information provided by states that goes into the background check system. To me it says more tax dollars will go to states with the most restrictive gun laws.

These are just a couple of the things that stood out to me.
Yeah! Reward komi-taxachusetts! I've been living with these ridiculous laws for too long! Cut some slack and let me buy "full capacity" magazines. I still hate him no matter what happens.

Hes addressing the problem incorrectly. Law abiding citizens are not the problem - stop making it harder for us to own guns.

BUT, I see little problem with adding background checks. Really, its not that bad. It takes a matter of 3-5 minutes for mind to go through every time.

As far as restricting types of firearms and accessories (collapsing stocks, full cap mags, bayonet lugs, flash suppressors) someone somewhere needs to get the stick out of their ass (I don't see too many news stories about people getting killed with bayonets).
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Sure, im all for background checks being faster. But as far as i am concerned, when it comes to anti-gunners, If we give something then we get something. What i want is the NFA and GCA to be repealed. Clearly our soldiers use fully automatic firearms, and they also use shotguns with barrels shorter than 18 inches (the m1014 to be specific) therefore we, the militia, are guaranteed to right to own and use those types of weapons as well.... i think we should all write our senators and reps until they do something about it. Hell the nfa passed because of bs reasons anyway. the NFA itself is illegal regardless of what it applies to because it is used to restrict something by taxation, even if that something were toothpicks it would still be illegal.

People focus on the wrong stuff sometimes. We should be taking the offensive and making the libs explain why we cant have firearms instead of letting ourselves be put into a situation were WE have to explain why we should be allowed possesion of firearms.

... as for nobama's little letter, if you assume that everything he says is a lie you have an accurate representation of his agenda.
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so far there's no "ban guns!"

let's read what he actually said and not what we WISHED he said


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But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.
I can't speak for the next person, but I see something TERRIBLY wrong with this! The man was unfit, but where did he buy the gun from?


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Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.
where's the "gun control" in this?

He stated that he agrees that we have the right to bear arms. He's also stated the fact that he HAS NOT cut short the rights of gun owners at all - in fact he's given them MORE rights. But the handgun community won't even say "thank you"

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The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept.
another true fact.


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Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson.
This is true, but I kinda disagree with it a little, yes, guns do kill, but cars kill more, so are the requirements for getting a drivers license gonna get more strict? Accidents on the road kill more than guns, are you going to DENY vehicles to those that have been found at fault in an accident? I don't recall the right to a motor vehicle being in the constitution.


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I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

And I DO agree!

Criminals are the only people giving gun owners a bad name. It's always some thug ruining things.

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I'm willing to bet they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas - that we should check someone's criminal record before he can check out at a gun seller; that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily; that there's room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety and are fully compatible with a robust Second Amendment.
once again I agree. criminal and mental background check, and you should be good to go. I think there should be a mental health database kinda like NICS but for mental health issues should be done instantly. It should be a FREE website where you punch in a buyers info, and it let's you know if it's safe to sell or not, but without revealing ANY details of their personall business.

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That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place
Notice he said "keep those irresponsible law-breaking FEW" from getting guns, not most, not "I want to take guns away from this country" he's actually saying "I want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals as best I can"

He can't completely remove them from criminals because they'll quickly steal one, but you can make sure they're not able to BUY one from a store.

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Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.
in other words, get rid of WAIT TIMES to purchase guns, make the process to get a gun FASTER for THE RIGHT people and make sure there's no way around it.

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But I have more faith in the American people than that. Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word "commonsense" isn't a code word for "confiscation." And none of us should be willing to remain passive in the face of violence or resigned to watching helplessly as another rampage unfolds on television.

I think he has a little too much faith, gun control people are idiots, and gun owners in SOME cases (not even most, just some) are paranoid.
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