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Old 01-14-2013, 11:44 PM   #11
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IMO, Obama will push his agenda as far as he can get away with, legal or illegal. will he get an AWB to pass? possibly, but i don't think he has the support of the House or Congress to get it through. i see him also bending the law to suit his agenda on this issue as well. after all he is a manipulative politician!

the part that does confuse me, that i read in the news earlier today, was he wanted stricter background checks. what am i missing here and what would a stricter background check be? DNA and fingerprints before buying! phych evaluation before buying? a note from your 1st grade teacher telling them you were a good student? if anyone can shed some light on this i would like to hear it.

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IMO, Obama will push his agenda as far as he can get away with, legal or illegal. will he get an AWB to pass? possibly, but i don't think he has the support of the House or Congress to get it through. i see him also bending the law to suit his agenda on this issue as well. after all he is a manipulative politician!

the part that does confuse me, that i read in the news earlier today, was he wanted stricter background checks. what am i missing here and what would a stricter background check be? DNA and fingerprints before buying! phych evaluation before buying? a note from your 1st grade teacher telling them you were a good student? if anyone can shed some light on this i would like to hear it.
Stricter checks could mean several things. I could be as minimal
as the Feds updating NCIS records to include anyone who's been mental adjudicated and declared incompetent or it could mean NO MORE PRIVATE SALES...now, taking your buddy to the LGS before selling his a prized model 60 might not seem like a big deal bit what if it's more?
What if it's NO PRIVATE SALES AT ALL?
Sell it to an FFL ONLY? That would cut the value of all collections down to wholesale and remove the investment "incentive" from gun ownership.

They keep using the term "universal" background check so I expect the worst and would not be shocked to see an EO BANNING PRIVATE SALES.

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IMO, Obama will push his agenda as far as he can get away with, legal or illegal. will he get an AWB to pass? possibly, but i don't think he has the support of the House or Congress to get it through. i see him also bending the law to suit his agenda on this issue as well. after all he is a manipulative politician!

the part that does confuse me, that i read in the news earlier today, was he wanted stricter background checks. what am i missing here and what would a stricter background check be? DNA and fingerprints before buying! phych evaluation before buying? a note from your 1st grade teacher telling them you were a good student? if anyone can shed some light on this i would like to hear it.
Stricter checks could mean several things. I could be as minimal
as the Feds updating NCIS records to include anyone who's been mental adjudicated and declared incompetent or it could mean NO MORE PRIVATE SALES...now, taking your buddy to the LGS before selling him a prized model 60 might not seem like a big deal but what if it's more?
What if it's NO PRIVATE SALES AT ALL?
Sell it to an FFL ONLY? That would cut the value of all collections down to wholesale and remove the investment "incentive" from gun ownership.

They keep using the term "universal" background check so I expect the worst and would not be shocked to see an EO BANNING PRIVATE SALES.

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Stricter checks could mean several things. I could be as minimal
as the Feds updating NCIS records to include anyone who's been mental adjudicated and declared incompetent or it could mean NO MORE PRIVATE SALES...now, taking your buddy to the LGS before selling him a prized model 60 might not seem like a big deal but what if it's more?
What if it's NO PRIVATE SALES AT ALL?
Sell it to an FFL ONLY? That would cut the value of all collections down to wholesale and remove the investment "incentive" from gun ownership.

They keep using the term "universal" background check so I expect the worst and would not be shocked to see an EO BANNING PRIVATE SALES.

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Tack, pretty much what i thought, just wanted someone elses opinion.

the mentally adjudicated would only be effective if someone were actully commited to an institution. so there in actual reality will still be plent of nut cases that had never been institutionalized, that would be able to purchase, correct? so IMO if that were the case, stricter background checks would in an essence be pretty useless! another ineffective gun control measure that is doomed to fail.

and banning FTF private sales? seriously, who and how could the ever enforce that? sounds like a paperwork nightmare to me! somebody is going to have to do paperwork. possibly having a national registration of all firearms? another huge mountain of paperwork for someone if we were inclined to comply. how would they enforce that!
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The only way to enforce a ban on private sales would be universal registration, which nobody will go along with anyway.

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The only way to enforce a ban on private sales would be universal registration, which nobody will go along with anyway.
There would be no need to enforce it. Every crime gun would simply be traced back to it's last FFL purchaser.

If that person could not show proof of legal transfer prior to the date of the EO, bingo...hello felony conviction...bye bye gun rights.

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There would be no need to enforce it. Every crime gun would simply be traced back to it's last FFL purchaser.

If that person could not show proof of legal transfer prior to the date of the EO, bingo...hello felony conviction...bye bye gun rights.

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I'm sure a tax will also be applied to all transfers too.
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I'm sure a tax will also be applied to all transfers too.
I hope so...inserting a tax into an EO would guarantee it's struck down. The power to tax is reserved soley to congress.

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I hope so...inserting a tax into an EO would guarantee it's struck down. The power to tax is reserved soley to congress.

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And as much as we hate paying taxes it is better for. congress to have it than our "president".
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And as much as we hate paying taxes it is better for. congress to have it than our "president".
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I wod not trust the Ass Hat in Chief with a sharp stick! Lucky for him he's a liberal and only believes in playing with safe items that can hurt him...
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