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Old 01-01-2012, 09:10 PM   #51
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:42 AM   #52
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But what can a below-average person like me do besides sitting on my ass? I don't want to protest. You see what happens to protesters. I don't want to join any questionable groups. The NRA is great, but it seems like their only effective means are lobbying and strong-arm influence, not unlike gun control advocates. We need political action that will get results before we end up like Australia or the UK at worst.
The NRA is one of the few sources where you'll be kept up to date on further disclosures in the Fast & Furious investigation. Any NRA Newscast is available on-line through a link on the NRA home page, and a recap on their weekday evening show "Cam and Company" is available for free through the same link on the NRA's home page.

You've got a computer and obviously internet access, write letters to the editor to your local newspaper, most you can contribute letters via e-mail on their web sites. Talk to the people you know. Educate yourself as to the particulars of this travesty and let everyone you know about it. Spread the word!

Marching, or playing the "occupy" methods of protest don't need to be done, we aren't that kind of people anyway. We obey the law, we're the good guys. But we sure as hell can't let these bastards get by with this!
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Operation Fast and Furious did not begin at the white house or with Holder. F&F is the brainchild of career bureaucrats in the Phoenix office of the BATFE. The career bureaucrats in the Phoenix office ginned up a plan to walk unmonitored guns into Mexico. They sold the plan to the federal prosecutor in AZ. The plan was then sold up the food chain.
I have one word for that baseless claim. Bull****! Fast & Furious was a DOJ operation from the get-go, employing every alphabet agency under their authority to run it.

Agents in the Phoenix office complained about their just sitting by and watching this go down, they were told that "we're having fun", and if they didn't like what they were doing, they could go work for Sheriff Joe.
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RE: NRA

Anyone remember the ASSAULT WEAPON BAN!?!?

Just what exactly did the NRA do about that???

OHHH thats right, exactly NOTHING!

and they cant, nor will they, do anything about this!

But i DID learn of this fiasco from the GOA!
NOR will they attempt to field their power to repeal some of the previous "laws".

Why?

Because they agree with them.

Can't have all sorts of evil (fill in the blank) running loose in the countryside armed,can we?
DESPITE the fact that criminals,by definition,ignore the law,and legislation of this kind is proven to be harmful to those that would not keep arms for nefarious purposes.

NRA isnt composed of the "non stingy and non apathetic" minority of gun owners.

They area bunch of fudds,elitists,and cowards who would allow the federal government to overstep its boundaries in order to try to placate some moral moron ideology that they don't think the evil (fill in the blank) should "have guns" (even tho they always find a way to get them).
They placate the Politically Correct,at the cost of turning inalienable rights into government administered privileges.
And it almost always hurts The People.
Really? If you'd followed NRA News, or even CBS News, you'd have heard about Fast & Furious, and you could have listened instead of reading it on the GOA's website. But then again, neither the NRA, or CBS News would have been using the "news" to persuade you to quit the NRA, and send your money to a group that I have yet to see evidence of their efforts effecting positive change for gun owners. Unless you count trying to separate and cripple 2nd amendment groups that don't have a "burn and destroy" stance in the arena.

Joe, I've become convinced your main goal here is as a recruiter for the GOA, and you don't really care what you need to claim to further that goal. You're making Larry a little richer every day.

Oh, BTW, I guess I'm one of those loyal "fudds" you speak of. The ONLY people the NRA wants disarmed are criminals. And according to most of the main-stream media, they want to arm them as well.
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IMO, what's at the heart of the problem is we hold

our government to a higher standard of ethics

in the performance of their duties, to which they

haven't been holding themselves.

They are expected, when they consciencelessy lie through

their collective pie holes, to protect and uphold the public

trust. To protect and uphold the Constitution.

What, in this case adds bitter comedy to the mix, is the

very people in government who are assigned to be sure

we act responsibly with guns are seemingly trying to act as

irresponsibly with guns as they possibly can.
THEN

they want to turn around and behave as though the very acts

which would get us thrown in prison for life deserve raises

and promotions.

In abusing their governmental power, they have trampled the

public trust, and ushered in a new age of disrespect by the public for

elected officials, due to their unbridled, sanctimonious bid to

manipulate numbers to subvert the Constitution.

I agree, Josh, stoning would be too good for them.

BUT I would still really like it, if even only

one ATF agent involved had the American Patriotism,

and the manhood, to step forward and take his lumps voluntarily.

How did this scum manage to seep into the highest offices

of our land?

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I vote to have them drawn and quartered.

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I vote to have them drawn and quartered.


Oh, I disagree. They need a lifetime without firearms, unable to strap the

CC or OC on, to regret being irresponsible. They need to be branded and

held up as an example to others who would consider doing likewise.


IMO, a fast, clean, punishment would hold us remiss in our

duties, as responsible gun owners.

No, I'm thinking a large tattoo on the forehead, reminiscent of

"Inglorious Basterds" would be more appropriate. Now, what would a good

tattoo be? How about " F&F GOON " ? A little long, for a forehead, but you

could probably still manage it in 1.25" letters...
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Oh, I disagree. They need a lifetime without firearms, unable to strap the

CC or OC on, to regret being irresponsible. They need to be branded and

held up as an example to others who would consider doing likewise.[/I]

IMO, a fast, clean, punishment would hold us remiss in our

duties, as responsible gun owners.

No, I'm thinking a large tattoo on the forehead, reminiscent of

"Inglorious Basterds" would be more appropriate. Now, what would a good

tattoo be? How about " F&F GOON " ? A little long, for a forehead, but you

could probably still manage it in 1.25" letters...
"Tyrant" Simple nuff.
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Fox news alert tonight ( Lou Dobbs): Holder faces threat of impeachment for F & F. Fast and Furious Stonewallings Call For Eric Holder's Impeachment - Forbes

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Ah, possibly Thomas Jefferson?
Ahh yes, sir Oscar wild's quote was something about patriotism being a virtue if the vicious.
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