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Old 01-01-2012, 09:32 AM   #41
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Simply put, everyone involved should have their gun privileges

taken away for life, for irresponsible handling of guns.

Then, perhaps, we should seek redress for abuse of public trust,

and mishandling of public funds issues...

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First off, you DO have a choice. The GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA
Sorry, GOA is a very small organization whose PAC contributed less than $60,000 to gun rights in 2010. The NRA PAC contributed $1.75 million. The PAC of an organization most gunowners never heard of contributed six times as much as GOA.

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Interesting, but seems like small change for those kinds of recipients. No wonder they never do anything worthwhile (except Bush; thank God)

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Sorry, GOA is a very small organization whose PAC contributed less than $60,000 to gun rights in 2010. The NRA PAC contributed $1.75 million. The PAC of an organization most gunowners never heard of contributed six times as much as GOA.

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I'm an NRA member and know it's not perfect. I'm not sure the smaller groups help or hinder the cause. Having smaller splinter type groups might just weaken us.
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I'm an NRA member and know it's not perfect. I'm not sure the smaller groups help or hinder the cause. Having smaller splinter type groups might just weaken us.
Diversity isn't a bad thing necessarily.
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Simply put, everyone involved should have their gun privileges

taken away for life, for irresponsible handling of guns.

Then, perhaps, we should seek redress for abuse of public trust,

and mishandling of public funds issues...
I hate to correct you like this,and the gist of what your saying is correct,but the Second Amendment is not a "privilege".

The clowns involved in Operation Gunrunner should be tried for treason and if found guilty they should be hung.

Every last one of them.
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Diversity isn't a bad thing necessarily.
NO, but apathy, stinginess, and procrastination are.

Current American population: 310,800,000

X45%= gun owners---------: 140,310,000

NRA membership:------------: 6,000,000

I really DNK if 4.27 % of the overall gun owning population

being concerned enough to join the NRA should be considered

paltry, or pathetic, but IMO these figures should make our

political problems, as gun owners, obvious to the most casual

observer.

We don't need to persuade, convince, or change the mind of

the antis. We merely need to get all gun owners involved.



Don't like the NRA? There's the GOA, SAF, and JFPO.

We even have the G.O.F.F.A. for free, right here.

Everybody needs to look to the left and right of you,

right where you are, here and now,

and start applying peer pressure.
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I hate to correct you like this,and the gist of what your saying is correct,but the Second Amendment is not a "privilege".

The clowns involved in Operation Gunrunner should be tried for treason and if found guilty they should be hung.

Every last one of them.
You're right, and I'm not here to parse syllables and text.

The point is Holder isn't enough. Think of what the ATF

would do to us if we did what they did. They wouldn't

settle for accepting one sin-eater. They would prosecute

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, TO THE FULL EXTENT OF

T H E L A W .
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I agree with therewolf!

And it is amazing how stupid the average American is today when it comes to voting to correct these atrocities! They can not evidently see that the Flag of exceptionalism is waiving in our face everyday! The politicians of our nation have one set of rules and laws and govern us with another. I think the hearings should get into full swing and everyone involved with the implementation and direction of the Fast and Furious Program should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. SO! We need to remember this and other similar situations when we go to the POLES in NOVEMBER! And stop living with our head in the sand like an ostrich in the future. If we all stand up we can change things even beside their attempt to defraud the elections which you can bet they will be doing. No penalties for them on that either. I think ACORN officials got a $10,000 fine for rigging the last election! WOW! Cost us a lot more than that as a result!

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You're right, and I'm not here to parse syllables and text.

The point is Holder isn't enough. Think of what the ATF

would do to us if we did what they did. They wouldn't

settle for accepting one sin-eater. They would prosecute

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, TO THE FULL EXTENT OF

T H E L A W .
Agreed.
But on the issue of "parsing words".
Indeed,I believe there is a huge distinction between a government administered privilege and a God given,inalienable right.
To me,this is no mere matter of semantics,but an issue that describes a difference of night and day.

So much so that I correct the issue when I see it raised,not out of intellectual haughtiness,but because we need to stop conditioning ourselves to accept that government can "take" such rights if we are ever to fully see these rights rectified from the privileges granted by this out of control government,back to the untouchable,inalienable rights that they are.

The FACT is,that our Founders wrote the Constitution to establish a limited by law government,then wrote a Bill of Rights to restrict that government from violating the inalienable,natural rights of The People.
The Bill of Rights is not just a list of privileges you get to excersize if you behave yourself.

"The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals...[I]t establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-Albert Gallatin to Alexander Addison, Oct 7, 1789, MS. in N.Y. Hist. Soc.-A.G. Papers, 2


"A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."
-Thomas Jefferson


"It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it."

-George Washington


"Rights come from GOD not the state. You have rights antecedent to any earthly governments rights that can not be repealed or restrained by human laws. Rights derived from the great legislator: God."
-John Adams
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