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Old 01-31-2012, 04:41 AM   #21
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I really don’t think you guys read my post.

I’ve really gotta get to bed, but I’ll just say this for now. The Brady people want guns restricted regardless of whether there’s proof that it lowers crime rates or not. I’m pointing out that they have no proof. I posted some of my data on another thread here someplace. It came from the FBI and the CDC. I'll try and dig it up tomorrow.
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Old 01-31-2012, 04:43 AM   #22
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Yup, even more sure now that i have NO desire to cross the Mason-Dixon line. Do what you want up there; if people don't have enough sense to leave, it is their loss. Craziness = "We city people don't have enough sense or experience to be safe with our firearms, so let's deny our children the same."

I wonder, if an area decided cars were too dangerous and outlawed them for all but the most priviledged and for public service (police, hospitals, garbage trucks), how long would it take before people stopped looking before they crossed the street or forgot how to drive, let alone drive safely. Their children would grow up in ignorance as would their pets. Now, just imagine if they were allowed OUT of their home area; they probably wouldn't fare too well.

So, NYC is intentionally breeding generations of ignorance, making its offspring unfit to survive elsewhere...sounds like what socialists want to do.

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You automatically get a CWP when you leave the NYPD. I was standing in front of the WTC on 9/11 when the first plane hit. In the first hour or so there was all sorts of bad intel about follow up attacks. When I id'd myself to an LT who was setting up the command post in tower 2 the first thing he asked me was "are you armed?". " could you stand a post by the door until we get more guys down here?". That day, the police were happy to have as many friendly guns around as possible.

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The CDC has been used by the Democrats to bring about gun control for years. What in the Hell is this Troll doing on this forum? Vincine call Mrs. Brady and tell her you will be back in her office soon.
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(Hmmm. It's hard to separate me; the New Yorker, from me the Adirondacker. Your indulgence please.)

No. I believe they are justified to deny themselves their rights under the constitution because they believe that there are too many of them that are too ignorant to own a firearm. They feel safer with firearm restrictions then without them.
There are people living in NYC who are very much pro-2A who cannot own firearms due to the gun-control laws there.

If an individual chooses not to own a firearm, for whatever reason, that's fine. They do not step on anyone else's rights if they personally choose not to exercise their own.

But when an individual says "I'm emotionally insecure and might hurt myself or someone else, therefore I need Big Brother Bloomberg to prevent EVERYONE from owning a firearm" then we have an irreconcilable problem.

A close friend who is currently in NYC will be leaving a very good job soon to return to Rochester. He can't stand the idiocy in the city anymore and he misses shooting.
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I've been reading all of this and shaking my head most of the time. How, even though Vincine has been a NYC resident and I, just an occassional visitor, he can indict the entire populus of the Apple astounds me. I'm quite sure the City residents are largely fed up with the crime rate and even though the NYPD is the largest police force in the country, are hard pressed to fix the problem (as is most any urban police force), you'd affirm the citizenry's lack of power to protect themselves by edict. There's nothing to back this up. Sorry, man...I just can't see this.

And don't indict all of us north of the Mason-Dixon. Here in Western Pa., we own a LOT of guns. Our right to self protect was affirmed by the Commonwealth adopting Castle Doctrine. You forget. We're the ones that hang on to our guns & bibles....and we're proud to do so!

Hey, BT. I didn't know you were on the job during 9/11. You have my utmost respect and thanks for your sacrifice and the sacrifices of the rest of the boys in blue there, always.

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Thanks wjn. I was actually retired off the job in 01 but was working downtown across the street from the WTC complex. In the first half hour or so, there were more retired and off duty cops assisting with the evac and crime scene security than on duty personnel. The WTC complex falls under the PA NY/NJ PD's jurisdiction and most of those guys seemed to have been MIA once it hit the fan. (typical). When the NYPD MCP finally showed up and became operational, it was crushed when the first tower came down. Oh yeah, the radios didn't work for **** and cell phones were useless. Only the Feds with the sat phones had good comms up and running.

Wife picked me up from the back of an ambulance at a triage center setup at Giants Stadium in NJ with 2 sprained ankles from running 14 blocks once the first tower came down. It's the fire guys that took the big hit. I went to 31 memorial services after that Tuesday and (keep in mind I was a lifetime New Yorker) 43 days later I was living in Florida. Been back twice since, first to bury my Dad and 13 months later my Mom. Don't plan on ever going back again.

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New York City residents did not "get it" long before Bloomberg came to the mayors office. They have not "got it" since the Sullivan law came into effect. For well over 100 years residents of NY City have been force fed a steady diet of pablum by their machine politicians.

Bloomberg is simply the reincarnation of a long dead, rabidly anti-gun NY City mayor. Most New Yorkers do not support a right to self defense. They see nothing wrong with the politically connected, rich and famous being issued NY City gun permits while they go defenseless.

There are 51 seats on the NY City council. Five of those councilmen are Republicans: i have no way of knowing if those five councilmen are pro-self defense or not. But the fact that 46 councilmen are Democrats tells me there is little support for Second Amendment rights in New York City.

BTW: i have a friend who lives in NY City. Five years ago he inherited four valuable shotguns from his father who lived in FL. Those guns are in the possession of his fathers friend in FL. For five years my friend tried to get a NY City gun permit to take possession of those guns. Finally he gave up and gave the guns to his Dad's friend in FL.

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It's for all practical Purposes impossible for the average law abiding citizen to get a CWP in NYC. The process can take 18 months or more and then you get the denial. you have a ton of paperwork, interviews with the detectives, an interview with the PD shrink and then more paperwork. At best you can get a highly restricted "premises" and "target" permit but it's literally a multi year process. There are lawyers that actually devote their whole practice to "assisting" you but they won't guarantee anything other than they will try to work the system.

On the other hand, the carjacker/crackhead can pickup an Uzi off the street in 5 minutes complete with extra mags and ammo.

Retired LEO's and active/retired Judges are automatically approved as are foreign consulate/embassy security personnel.

Oh yeah, if you're a druggie dj on the radio you can get one as well.

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