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Old 01-03-2014, 01:47 AM   #161
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Yeah, that makes sense. I wonder why they don't do it more often?
Probably has something to do with where you get pulled over, and traffic patterns, obstructions, guard rails, on a bridge, etc. Light, slow traffic and the stop is on a bridge 2 feet off the guard rail suddenly a LH approach feels a lot safer than a RH one. to some degree it may also have to do with the preference of the LEO stopping you.

I got pulled over 6 years ago on the Niagara section of the I-90 for no seat belt ( guilty! I don't feel they should be forces on a driver if they are the only occupant of said vehicle, but laws are laws. I buckle up every time I drive now. Too expensive not to.), and the Trooper who stopped me came up on the left in rush hour traffic (07:30). Right as I was handing him my paperwork a truck passer close enough to send his Stetson flying, and he almsot jumped in through the window of my wife's van. I asked him, FHOG, to come to the passenger window when he came back from running my information and writing my ticket. He came back up to the van, on the right after checking me out, and thanked me while handing me a parking ticket and advising me to wear my seat belt.

I have bumped into him a few times since then (we shop at the same LGS in Erie County) and he now approaches on the left only when traffic is light. In the case of some senior officers, approaching on the left is a throwback from when most vehicles on the road still had manual windows. Not as much need to reach across to roll down with most new cars having power windows. Most of the time, the LH approach is due to wanting to talk to the person who violated the law, 9 times out of 10 it is the driver hence walking up on the left.

i am also the person who will pull into a parking lot if one is close during high trafic hours when stopped. just safer for all IMHO. Only had to do so once, not for me, for my MC permit holder,because of a tail light being out on his bike. Worked out good, The LEO who stopped us stuck around for coffee while i changed the bulb, and signed off on the ticket. He did ask why we stopped in the lot, and when i told him the reason he thanked me. decent guy.

is it just me, or are we about 300 miles off course here?
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I avoid raleigh/durham like the plague. I will happily pay $50 more for something if I don't have to go to the triangle.

We have people that will line up totally blocking everyone and drive a couple MPH under the speed limit. Not so slow they are at risk for impeding traffic but slow enough to have a mile long string of angry drivers behind them. There should be a citation of some fashion for intentionally provoking other drivers. Around here we always have a law enforcement campaign to curb aggressive driving but there are no laws against doing things that will make most people want to get clear of a bonehead.
In Germany that behavior carries a hefty ticket. The citation translates to basically "not driving right", where right means correctly(not the direction).
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Everybody trains a little different on traffic stops. Some guys walk up to either side and keep the door frame between them and the driver. Some guys stand right in the middle of the window and make a nice silhouette, some guys don't walk up to the car at all.

Unless I think the persons trying to hide something I never walk up to the car, I make them walk to me. If I do approach the car it's usually from the passengers side. Preferably when I know another unit is close by and clear from their calls.

LEOs are creatures of habit. Most guys pick a method and do things the exact same way every time regardless of the circumstances, road obstructions etc. Which can be dangerous for everybody sometimes.
The walk to you is interesting to me, because a friend of mine got pulled over many years ago in a commercial truck and didn't know why so he assumed that something came loose on his load. He jumped out of the cab to see what had happened and was met with a pistol to the face and an irate leo explaining that you never jump out of the truck, you wait for me to come to you.

The last two times I got pulled over they came to the passenger window, but it was on the interstate so the passenger side was safer.
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The walk to you is interesting to me, because a friend of mine got pulled over many years ago in a commercial truck and didn't know why so he assumed that something came loose on his load. He jumped out of the cab to see what had happened and was met with a pistol to the face and an irate leo explaining that you never jump out of the truck, you wait for me to come to you. The last two times I got pulled over they came to the passenger window, but it was on the interstate so the passenger side was safer.
When I get stopped myself, I pull over to a safe place, put the vehicle in park, keep my hands on the steering wheel, and wait to see what the cop wants me to do.

It's never a good idea to suddenly jump out of any vehicle on a traffic stop. See the second video I posted earlier for a great example of why the cop will not like that.
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Cool, those explanations were good. Yeah, who doesn't know not to just get out of the vehicle when stopped? If I recall, I was told this early on, in Driver's Ed, I think it was…..

We are 300 miles off course, but so what, useful stuff...

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When I get stopped myself, I pull over to a safe place, put the vehicle in park, keep my hands on the steering wheel, and wait to see what the cop wants me to do.

It's never a good idea to suddenly jump out of any vehicle on a traffic stop. See the second video I posted earlier for a great example of why the cop will not like that.
I also put on the interior light, if dark. Whatever it takes to keep from getting a ticket.
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I always try to pull into a parking lot if possible(For Officer Safety) then I put it in park turn off the car put my interior light on and keep my hands on the steering wheel. I immediately notify the officer that I am a commissioned(Armed) security officer and have my duty belt with loaded firearm in the car and I have my backup in the center console every single time after these chain of I events I receive a warning or a hey your license plate light is out. I thank them tell them to be safe and scoot, but that is if I get pulled over my PH plates usually deter that.

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Please do not include me, there are smarter ways to stand up for your rights and beliefs.
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Meanwhile, in Detroit, a police chief who recognizes reality, trusts law-abiding citizens to do the right thing and has the ballz to speak against the monied and the powerful:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140103/METRO01/301030038/Detroit-police-chief-Legal-gun-owners-can-deter-crime?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE



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Meanwhile, in Detroit, a police chief who recognizes reality, trusts law-abiding citizens to do the right thing and has the ballz to speak against the monied and the powerful:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140103/METRO01/301030038/Detroit-police-chief-Legal-gun-owners-can-deter-crime?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE



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