Originally Posted by alsaqr
Many of the same people who whine about the NRA and make excuses about not joining the NRA make excuses for not voting. I know quite a few of them.
Exactly. Folks go into total incoherent rants based on the word of some uninformed fool: Without even bothering to check out the veracity of the article, they say: "I got this e-mail and they are going to take our guns."
I vote and am a member of JPFO.
And I tend to look for articles with information that can be verified by fact,rather than just getting some email and going off about it.
I take offense to the part about 'incoherent rants' your using to describe folks who are voicing their concerns which you dont share,which is often times being voiced by me.
I hope the following is coherent and clear enough.
This is nothing personal,but I think a little perspective is in order.
There were 'phases' of the Holocaust.In the beginning,the 'deportations' were the first 'phase'.Some camps existed,and others were being built,while the first camps were used in Hitler's eugenics program to murder the mentally ill,the physically disabled,and other 'defectives'.Rumors of these camps spread like wildfire in the Jewish community,as the Jews were facing demand after demand by the Nazis on their rights.
No one believed the camps were real.
No one wanted to believe the camps were real.
The Jews believed that if they complied with the Nazis,obeyed every new edict-perhaps the Nazis would leave them alone.
Perhaps,if the Jews gave one more right up to the Nazis,the Nazis would not see them as a threat and would let them live in peace.
First,the Jews were stripped of economic rights.Then property rights
-INCLUDING FIREARMS RIGHTS- until,helpless and totally at the mercy of the Nazi state,they were moved into 'ghettos'.
The Jews tried to be 'law abiding'.
And then began the 'final solution'.
This steady 'whittling away' of rights went on with the Jews in denial until they began emptying the ghettos with firing squads,machinegunning women and children and old men en masse,while they shipped those with able bodies to camps like Bergen-Belsen where instead of being marched off to the gas chambers 'to the lovely sounds of classical music',as George Bernard Shaw put it,they were literally worked to death on a diet you wouldnt feed a stray dog.
Some victims of the Holocaust-which weren't only Jews-didn't believe the rumors of death camps until they heard the 'lovely music' as they were mustered out of cattle cars.
But by then it was too late.
Too late to assert themselves legally-because their legal rights were already gone.
Too late to assert themselves economically-because they had already allowed the state to take away their property rights.
It was too late to assert their humanity,because the state had already decided their 'status' as 'untermenshen'.
AND IT WAS TOO LATE to effectively use force to resist-
BECAUSE BY BEING 'LAW ABIDING'-THEY HAD SURRENDERED THEIR ARMS.
All that was left was death at the hands of Hitlers eugenics program.
And let me make it clear that eugenics was far from a Nazi invention.
In fact,President Woodrow Wilson -a self-proclaimed 'progressive'- was a devout believer in eugenics long before Adolph Hitler even knew the term.
Eugenics,as practiced by the Nazis, murdered 6 million of my people.
So you'll just have to forgive my fervency when confronted by the fact that the UN wants a world wide control of some form or another on small arms,and that a self-described 'modern progressive'-namely Hitlery Klintoon is involved,along with an OBVIOUS Marxist President like Hussein Soetoro or whatever his name is,reversing positions on the policy from one of no acceptance of such an 'arms control' approach to one of full co-operation.
Every time the NRA talks about how 'law abiding' people have the right to arms,I wonder just what their up to,because 'law abiding' citizens in Nazi Germany could own guns too-and just like whats going on here,the Nazi government had total control of who owned what via licensing and registration of all arms.
NRA is ok with laws that have 'prohibited persons' lists and demand background checks as a form of permission/licensing and de facto registration of American citizens 'excersizing' their 'rights'.
'Law abiding' or not-the Constitution establishes that the people of the United States have the right to be free of government 'infringement' regarding their inalienable right to keep and bear arms.
So you'll forgive me when I assert that the NRA,when it compromises on 'gun control',is making a deal with the devil-and selling US ALL short.
Tyranny is a slow progression in many instances,and the signs of a very evil tyranny are in fact becoming quite apparent to anyone with eyes to read and ears to hear in America.
Our government no longer obeys the rule of law,it no longer obeys the restrictions placed upon it by the Constitution,and it no longer seeks to properly carry out the duties assigned to it.
Our government,which once recognized and aboded itself within the limits proscribed to it and the inalienable rights of its citizens,now believes it is the creator of 'new rights',it believes it now has the power to dictate rights and to 'regulate' rights as it sees fit.
When 'law abiding' means obeying an out of control government-you can count me a partisan.
So your just going to have to forgive me when I'd rather pay my gun lobby money to a group that wont compromise with those -People like Harry Reid- who are recklessly 'progressing' us 'forward' into an Orwellian Stasi-esque hell the victims of the Holocaust could only imagine.
Say it can't happen here.
Because for some people-it already has.
Democide,slavery and eugenics are some of the blackest marks on our national history.
So you'll forgive me if I'm none too reserved when I hear even the rumor of more government control being asserted over our inalienable rights.
Please forgive me if I dedicate my time to fervently espousing what I believe to be the solution to all evils perpetrated by ANY government-ADHERENCE TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION and the principles of limited government and respect for the individual,inalienable rights of all people!