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Old 01-06-2013, 06:18 PM   #1
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I have been going back and forth with this "friend" of mine over gun control. Prior to Sandy Hook he has been a good friend, but now the gun control debate has caused a rift. I'm OK with cutting ties, but he does offer a good debate and I am short on some hard facts regarding NRA demographics. All I can offer if personal experience rather than statistics etc., I went to the NRA.org website and did a search but nothing came up on membership demographics. Here is the most recent of his contributions:

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My point is that things we are accustomed to today will seem abnormal tomorrow. Going to the mall with a gun will be an aberration in 50 years, just like it would seem wrong to own slaves today.

Regarding demographic, I speak of percentage. Gun supporters are mostly white, male, conservative republicans, lower education, lower income, Midwest and South. Not many PhD, scientists, or heart surgeons. Not many blacks, Hispanics or women either. Not many artists, poets, writers, organic farmers, surfers, ...

Here is a result table from a Pew survey:
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/gun-control-2011.pdf

If we could magically relocate American gun supporters onto a distant island, the median income would skyrocket, GDP would soar and we might well solve our debt crisis and violence problems at once.
Now, I don't want to be elitist, and I understand we need a mix of everything for a society to be vibrant, but I am not happy when a minority takes hostage the whole country. And I am really sad when kids get harmed.

The NRA has less than 4.5 million members, out of 300 million Americans. Its influence is disproportionate.
There are about 30% of adults owning guns. That's a sizable minority, but a minority nonetheless.

The median household income is around $50k per year. That leaves plenty of cash to buy many assault weapons. And gun shops take credit cards.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:30 PM   #2
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Now, personally I know many people who are wealthy (one of my regular E-trap partners shows up at the range in his Ferrari every Wednesday), some of my regular shooting buddies are artists (my best and closest friend and his wife are well known artists, she is internationally acclaimed in her area- she has taught her art all over the world), millionaires, doctors (one is a black, millionaire neurosurgeon who also has a Phd and another is a Jew, doctor and lawyer who is married to a Chinese national!!) , physicists (one of my regular shooting buddies is a physicist) and even surfers (I don't shoot with my brother very often, but he is a 2A supporter and an avid surfer- all of his kids are avid surfers- and my brother is a doctor!) or organic farmers (yours truly) etc.. It is almost eerie how he points out those specific types of people!

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How many people are members of any organization, I'd like to know how many people belong to the NAACP and pay dues? At the end he mentions a couple professions that somehow make us great, what an arrogant sob, what about the majority of people who get up every morning and go to a job they hate to support their families! FACT, gun ownership is primarily by white people, most cars are also white??? Most speeding tickets are written to white automobiles, most of America is also white!!! This guy is taking a bunch of arbitrary facts and attempting an argument by stringing them together. Why don't you ask him what percentage of people are on government assistance vs gun ownership. Tell him to go put his energy into something that has meaning and not to go after one of the largest demographics by percentage followed closely by poverty...

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I know a doctor that hunts, and has a ccw, and a couple of almost millionaires that carry, several women that carry and hunt. This one sounds fishy

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I find it kind if funny how people think what they do when it suits their need. It wasn't all that long ago that swearing on tv was an absolute no no, but now it is rather common place, and those that support the 1st said yay. Then thing progress and porn is now for all intent and purpose main stream, and video games have moved from pong to call of duty and now those same people that cheer for the 1st amend. Point their fingers in disgust.

Bottom line is people are people and we all have different views on things, and you are never going to change his mind on the 2nd amend. But remind him that if you start playing with things like the amendments it becomes a slippery slope and soon all will be on the chopping block.

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Hunter s Thompson was a writer that owned guns, and Ted nugent is a musician that owns guns haha. There prolly not good examples

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Funny you should mention the people you do "Not many PhD, scientists, or heart surgeons. Not many blacks, Hispanics or women either. Not many artists, poets, writers, organic farmers, surfers," as my closest shooting buddies cover all of those backgrounds. Literally. All of them. And you know that I am an organic farmer. Then again maybe I am an anomaly. I do not have any shooting partners who are of the racial and lower socioeconomic demographic that you seem to believe makes up the majority of the NRA membership.
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And here is another one of his rants:

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My point is that things we are accustomed to today will seem abnormal tomorrow. Going to the mall with a gun will be an aberration in 50 years, just like it would seem wrong to own slaves today.

Regarding demographic, I speak of percentage. Gun supporters are mostly white, male, conservative republicans, lower education, lower income, Midwest and South. Not many PhD, scientists, or heart surgeons. Not many blacks, Hispanics or women either. Not many artists, poets, writers, organic farmers, surfers, ...

Here is a result table from a Pew survey:
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/gun-control-2011.pdf

If we could magically relocate American gun supporters onto a distant island, the median income would skyrocket, GDP would soar and we might well solve our debt crisis and violence problems at once.
Now, I don't want to be elitist, and I understand we need a mix of everything for a society to be vibrant, but I am not happy when a minority takes hostage the whole country. And I am really sad when kids get harmed.

The NRA has less than 4.5 million members, out of 300 million Americans. Its influence is disproportionate.
There are about 30% of adults owning guns. That's a sizable minority, but a minority nonetheless.

The median household income is around $50k per year. That leaves plenty of cash to buy many assault weapons. And gun shops take credit cards.
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As you are aware, your acquaintance is fact shopping to support his argument.

Has there been a shift in demographics in the US? Yes- but it is urban vs rural. While folks that live in the "downtown" areas may be gun owners, it is not like the country where the majority of houses have at LEAST one gun.

In reading through what you posted, my biggest concern is the elitist attitude that realy shines brightly. So the folks that matter are "artists, writers, thinkers and musicians".

That right there is a large part of the problem. Yes, I dove hunt with doctors. I target shoot with folks that could buy and sell me out of petty cash (and I am well over the poverty level) But he seems to feel comfortable directing how other adults can spend their earnings, huh?

He should remember that attitude the next time the toilet backs up, and he needs a plumber- or a carpenter, electrician, a mechanic, etc. Be sure to discuss that with the person that is turning a wrench. Might be a good idea to wait for them to put down the wrench.

The company I work for has over 100 civil engineers on staff. They may not make our country "great vibrant and prosperous"- but they come in real handy to keep bridges and buildings from collapsing- so that the intelligentsia can drive their eco-friendly vehicles down to have a barrista make them their favorite coffee.

In the meantime, the Aurora theater shooter and the Clackamas Mall shooter were both college students. Ask the person if perhaps we should correlate colleges to a threat to the US. Yes, it is silly- so are his postulates.

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Sorry- forgot to make an observation-

Since they feel that gun owners are a minority, then he is expressing that only the rights of the MAJORITY are to be preserved. The rights of a MINORITY are.... unimportant? Immaterial?

Rather cheesy attitude there...........

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