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Old 09-14-2011, 03:48 AM   #21
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Very true. Where in Kentucky are you Barry?



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Sounds nice. United across the board.
The way it should be for responsible CWL's.


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I think if this went to the floor it would pass the house. But the hurdle would be the senate. Even if you could guarentee 60 votes, what is going to stop Harry Reid from simply keeping the bill from coming to a vote. Even if Reid brought it to vote thinking he could get it to fail, I see Obama bringing out his veto pen faster than Biden could say something stupid.

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I think if this went to the floor it would pass the house. But the hurdle would be the senate. Even if you could guarentee 60 votes, what is going to stop Harry Reid from simply keeping the bill from coming to a vote. Even if Reid brought it to vote thinking he could get it to fail, I see Obama bringing out his veto pen faster than Biden could say something stupid.
Winning post right there!!
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Winning post right there!!
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Too bad a bill has to be introduced to cover Article 4 section 2 clause 1 of the constitution.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

If memory serves me correctly these use this clause to cover drivers licences from state to state.

I could be wrong, I'm just a non laywer citizen

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Old 09-15-2011, 01:50 PM   #27
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The problem comes in because not all states allow their citizens to carry concealed handguns although I certainly agree with you that all states should honor another states CCW license just as they do driver's licenses, and while some do, many don't.

You don't have to worry about being arrested, having your car impounded and charged with a felony because you drove into "the wrong state" with a DL issued to you by your home state, nor should you have to worry about carrying a concealed handgun (or having one in your car).

If a state doesn't wish to allow it's citizens to carry concealed handguns that is, as it stands their "right" to do so. Although I can't understand how for the life of me if U.S. citizens have the RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR arms then I don't see how a state can take that right away IF the USC is indeed the "Supreme Law of the land". What's to stop a state from banning free speech, freedom of the press, the right to peacefully assemble either if they can deny a citizens RIGHT to BEAR arms? The SCOTUS failed to interpret an absolute right, but one that the states may still infringe upon, and that opinion was only by 1 vote.

Unless we can rid the Senate and Presidency of these anti-gunners in the next election the Brady Bunch or some other anti-gun group can file suit after a pro-gun justice retires or dies and the 2nd amendment may become a relic of the past.

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Davo:

You are absolutely correct in your conclusions that our 2A rights are only protected by a 1 vote majority on The SCOTUS. States like CA, NJ and NY have gun laws that push the envelope in terms of their "reasonableness" which as of today is the basis for their constitutionality. Who is to say that a future Court will not redefine that standard to allow an outright infringement. Until The Court formally incorporates the 2A to the states there will not be a uniform application of rights. The Constitution, as written, only limits the power of Congress and the Federal government. States rights, in this instance, work against us.

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Think about this, if this bill is passed and signed into law, then the government can now sit standards as to who, what, and when any citizen can carry.

Though this intent of the bill is noble it is an albatross for the anti-gunners in waitting.

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Think about this, if this bill is passed and signed into law, then the government can now sit standards as to who, what, and when any citizen can carry.

Though this intent of the bill is noble it is an albatross for the anti-gunners in waitting.
Quoted for truth. An anti-gun congress could gut concealed carry in the entire USA. This would also allow the white house to place "emergency" restrictions on concealed carry. Look what happened to gun dealers in states that border Mexico.

What ever happened to states rights?


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