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opaww 11-17-2011 01:45 AM

National right to carry
 
passed the house with 272 for, that is 12 more then needed for a veto override

JonM 11-17-2011 01:56 AM

it wont come for a vote in the senate. democrats wont bring it up and they control the senate which is why it got so many dem votes in the house.

trip286 11-17-2011 02:02 AM

Jon, I have to ask. Call me ignorant if you must, but ignorant I am because I don't know. If the people want it (and invariably, many of them do), and it has passed the vote in the house, how the hell can the senate get away with just not bringing it up?

Maybe I should watch that after school special *sings* "I'm just a bill, sittin on capital hill"

bkt 11-17-2011 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 629492)
Jon, I have to ask. Call me ignorant if you must, but ignorant I am because I don't know. If the people want it (and invariably, many of them do), and it has passed the vote in the house, how the hell can the senate get away with just not bringing it up?

Maybe I should watch that after school special *sings* "I'm just a bill, sittin on capital hill"

A bill doesn't become law until both houses ratify it by majority vote.

Even if it squeaked by in the Senate, Obama would probably veto it.

trip286 11-17-2011 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bkt (Post 629497)
A bill doesn't become law until both houses ratify it by majority vote.

Even if it squeaked by in the Senate, Obama would probably veto it.

Okay, one thing I learned from that after school special, the congress can override a president's veto can't they? But what I really want to know, is can the Senate just refuse to bring it up? Can they just say, "Oh we don't want to talk about that" and just ignore it?

bkt 11-17-2011 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 629498)
Okay, one thing I learned from that after school special, the congress can override a president's veto can't they? But what I really want to know, is can the Senate just refuse to bring it up? Can they just say, "Oh we don't want to talk about that" and just ignore it?

If both houses have 2/3 majority or better vote, yes, they can veto the president.

And yes, the leaders of either side of congress can simply refuse to bring a bill to the floor for discussion or a vote.

trip286 11-17-2011 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bkt (Post 629503)
If both houses have 2/3 majority or better vote, yes, they can veto the president.

And yes, the leaders of either side of congress can simply refuse to bring a bill to the floor for discussion or a vote.

Is that legal? I'm gonna PM my number to you, I want to talk to you and see if we can get this through my thick skull.

JonM 11-17-2011 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 629505)
Is that legal? I'm gonna PM my number to you, I want to talk to you and see if we can get this through my thick skull.

yes its legal. its how both houses of congress work. the senate or house can just not bring a bill forward. it happens all the time. it doesnt matter how many people want a bill to be voted on if the leadership of one chamber doesnt put the bill on the agenda it dies in committee.

trip286 11-17-2011 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JonM (Post 629517)
yes its legal. its how both houses of congress work. the senate or house can just not bring a bill forward. it happens all the time. it doesnt matter how many people want a bill to be voted on if the leadership of one chamber doesnt put the bill on the agenda it dies in committee.

That's bullspit.

JonM 11-17-2011 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 629518)
That's bullspit.

yup but thats how it works. its also why that rino boehnor even let it come up for a useless vote cuz he knows his buddy harry reed wont let it come for a vote. its just lip service to allow plutocrats to garner favor amongest the people who dont understand how things work.

everyone gets excited "yeah!! they finally getting things done!!" then some time goes by the bill dies in committee and scum like boehnor can then claim to support gun rights in the next election even though he knew it was a pointless vote

votes like this also allow democrats in weak areas a pointless vote they can say in their elections that they voted for gun rights. these dems tend to be in swing districts that are heavily pro-gun garnering them support in a oherwise tight election for casting a vote on a non-starter issue


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