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View Poll Results: Do you support federal mandated Nation Carry Reciprocity
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Old 07-20-2017, 04:15 PM   #31
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Keep in mind national reciprocity maybe a foot in the door for national registration.
at some future date, when the liberal gun hating democrats are back in control, and they decide to pass new legislation in order for a person to continue with being able to exercise this proposed law, they may decide to push for a national registry. they have already attempted it once if i'm not mistaken, as part of the package of the Universal Background Check that failed.

anyone who thinks that the Republicans or that Trump is going to be around forever, is naive or delusional. the pendulum in political parties in power, always ends up swinging in the opposite direction at some point in the future. it's just has things happen. all one has to do is go back in history and look to see how it has played out since George Washington first took the oath of office.

our greatest protection lies in more conservative Supreme Court justices sitting on the bench to protect our guns rights into the future, and for our future generations.
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wow, just wow.

i'm sorry Tinbucket, but things just aren't as simple as you seem to think, in thinking one law being passed will make such huge changes in gun law. in reality, nothing is just that simple. to believe it is, would be naive, or delusional thinking. gun laws have become very complicated over the years.

maybe you believe all rights are absolute? and the facts are, they aren't. if we take the 2nd Amendment at face value, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.", and say that the 2nd Amendment is an absolute right, then that means anyone should be allowed to keep and bear arms, without being infringed, such as criminals, illegal immigrants, those with mental defects, children, ect., ect.,,,, and so on. are you comfortable with such people having an absolute right to keep and bear arms?

what about the 1st Amendment being an absolute right? if it were, that means that libel and slander could be used and go unchecked without consequences. what about people being able to publish child pornography? are you comfortable with that? if the 1st Amendment were absolute, then it would be legal for such vile filth. what about hate speech? if it were absolute, then hate speech would be protected as well. are you comfortable with that as well?

this world is much different than it was when the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights were written, and passed into law. it's much more populated, and much more complicated, and many things have changed since then. when they were passed into law, slavery was still legal, and that has been changed, as have the rights of those due to new amendments being passed. the world has changed, and we must change accordingly with it to some degree.

as has been pointed out, so if they did pass such a law, what requirements, and regulations would be implemented in order for someone to be covered by that law?

and do you think that such gun restrictive states like New York, California, and others like them are going to just accept such a law without a fight in the courts?

and they would just allow an out of state resident to legally carry, when their own residents are restricted?

what about states that have essentially no requirements for lawful carry, like Vermont, Alaska, and several others?

would they have to implement new requirements that they haven't had before, just to be in compliance with the new law?

i guess it's easy to believe that one law being passed would change so much, without fully thinking out of, all of the problems that would result from it being passed.

i have given much thought to this over the last several days, and if it were passed, i have to agree as someone else mentioned, there would be several states that would fight it out in the courts, possibly being tied up for years.

and BTW Tinbucket, whether you want to provide credible sources, or not is purely your choice. but without linking credible sources, just don't expect others to accept what you post as being fact, rather than an opinion. and as i believe in the 1st Amendment, you like anyone else is entitled to your opinion and the right to voice that opinion, but by all means, when you voice that opinion, please don't allow your feelings to get hurt simply because others may oppose your opinions, as that is the whole basis of the 1st Amendment. and when you link credible sources, and the key word there is, "CREDIBLE SOURCES" then you opinions become fact based opinions, which puts them into a different category.
WOW, Just WOW.

That was excellent, thanks for posting.

...and thanks for double spacing your paragraphs and such, unlike Tinbucket's run on sentences an single spacing it was very easy to read and comprehend.

Double spacing should be made mandatory under the First Amendment of the Constitution.
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Really?

Please explain the avenues and the paths that congress would take to use NR as "foot in the door" for national registration?
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WOW, Just WOW.

That was excellent, thanks for posting.

...and thanks for double spacing your paragraphs and such, unlike Tinbucket's run on sentences an single spacing it was very easy to read and comprehend.

Double spacing should be made mandatory under the First Amendment of the Constitution.
you're welcome!

mandatory double spacing? now that was funny! LMAO!
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Really?

Please explain the avenues and the paths that congress would take to use NR as "foot in the door" for national registration?
I'm not sure if folks are really in the know on what the current proposed bill actually says.

It is basically the federal government telling all 50 states to honor the permits from other states.

At this point there would be no federal taking or issuing of permits/licenses for carry/concealed carry.

It also states that people with permits/licenses would have to carry under the rules of the state they are in as if that host state had issued the permit.

Fore example: If I visit Texas with my Washington CWL, Am I allowed to walk into a restaurant that happens to have a bar inside. Under Washington law I can as long as I don't enter the actual boundaries of the bar area, which restaurants here must have delineated separate from the rest of the restaurant or they are considered a bar and not a restaurant. I would have to understand blue signs vs. red signs in Texas.

If the bill were to be changed in the house or senate to call for tracking of persons with a permit on a federal level, then there may be a "database", or requirements that must be met. If the bill was changed to set a federal standard for permit issuance, then there could be an agency that grows to have oversight and may develop interpretations, requirements, limits, etc. on permits and then have an ability to cause future problems. Kind of like the BATFE changing policies or getting to define criteria, on SBR, SBS, Pistol vs. SBR vs. AOW, or how they interpret the legality of letting an arm brace touch your shoulder.


But folks are reading way ahead on the current proposed bill. Other folks are ASSUMING the bill will go forward in current form without changes in either house of congress.

Too soon to tell.
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I can almost guarantee you there will be federal "minimum requirements" imposed on the states for issuing permits.

And most states have a "Ports of entry" for trucks, trailers, etc, that are "Must Stop."

How many will set up a "Port" where you must stop for you to declare that you are carrying? Perhaps even a "safety check" point for the firearm.

And once federal minimal guidelines are in place, no more carry without a permit.
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I don't see what is so hard about making a CC permit the same as a Driver's License.
Good in all 50 states, Period. End of discussion. (example) If you have a Florida CC license,
or wherever, it's simply good in CONUS and territories. Done.

What's so hard about that?? No If/Then BS. Just a straight up One Page Law.
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That is what some states are doing. As in our state, the Governor wants and has the Permitting system as a poll tax or privilege tax. Without the permit you may not carry.
He has turned it into a Privilege just as they insist Driving is privilege and you may not drive without a permit of license. There is record of who has a carry permit, accessible through NLETS , and by Drivers License Records and License Plate photo cameras. The records system now processes millions of license plate photos looking for felons, and such. It won't be long until Carry Permits pop up automatically too, in places like NY, NJ etc.
National Reciprocity would not create a new database unless someone amends.
it.
Those States with Constitutional Carry would not have to issue some permit for Orwell's quarter to comply.
They will push back and drag people into cells and courts , even with the Legislation until the Court takes time to kick them in the ass, or Congress and the Administration take away money and punish those States.
Everything is frought with problems.
Go ahead and pass National Recirpocity making it clear Constitutional Carrry States do not have to change their rules.
Perhapss when Ginsberg, Kennedy and Roberts are gone the Adinistration will take it all to the Supreme Court and reassert our Second Amendment Rights, our First Amendment Rights and ll Rights, in light of what California, Colorado,NY, NJ Mass, Conn, etc trampling on the Bill of Rights and most specifically our Second Amendment.
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The Opposition has never stopped their campaign to subvert our Constitution.
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I don't see what is so hard about making a CC permit the same as a Driver's License.
Good in all 50 states, Period. End of discussion. (example) If you have a Florida CC license,
or wherever, it's simply good in CONUS and territories. Done.

What's so hard about that?? No If/Then BS. Just a straight up One Page Law.
it would be nice if it were that simple, but it never is, especially when it comes down to gun rights.

states with more restrictive gun laws, especially those gun laws regarding the personal carrying of guns, would fight this in the courts.
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