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gwk4667 12-10-2011 10:15 PM

My thoughts on Concealed Carry
 
I have been asked my opinion on Concealed Carry laws and the businesses that are trying to bar them. Wisconsin just got CC laws and the anti gun people started putting up “ No Guns Allowed” signs every where. Wisconsin also has a law that if you have a CC permit and you do not carry due to one of those signs the owner is responsible for your safety and if you are harmed you may sue him / her for damages so most of the signs came back down.

So is today's “No Guns" sign the same as the 1950s "No Blacks" - - - it gives one pause.

I had never thought of it in terms of "Civil Rights" but that is a very compelling argument.

You do have the right to bar anyone you like from your home.

But if I were to bar someone (black, gay, red-haired) from my business I would be facing federal time for a "Hate Crime" and I can see the same argument for Concealed Carry.

People will say it is a matter of choice - - - I do not read in the Constitution that you have a right to be gay. But we do have a second amendment right to bear arms. I would feel we should be every bit as protected as a gay person!

"Jesus said to his disciples ... and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." Luke 22:36

When Florida changed to "Shall Issue," the Sarah Brady gang went around screaming like Howler Monkeys that, "It was going to be the Old West with gunfights in the middle of the streets all over again." Well, as any student of history will tell you, those "Old West gunfights" are a figment of Hollywood's imagination and have nothing to do with real history. In fact, the "Old West" was very polite because everyone carried a gun, but mostly for practical purposes.

Florida's CCW rate climbed to over 25% - 1 in 4 of all citizens had a concealed gun and had qualified to use it. Cab drivers were shooting robbers, rapists were winding up in hospitals, and within six months, violent crime dropped almost 50%. As a result, criminals started attacking tourists, thinking they weren't able to be armed - then they became educated in something called "reciprocity" and that wound up with tourists shooting criminals. Florida has had no regrets at all since changing to "Shall Issue" and the Brady Bunch had to slink away in disgrace.

Kennesaw, Georgia went one better requiring a firearm in every residence. That county had held the distinction of having the highest crime rate in the state for years. The law was passed in 1982 and now the county has held the distinction for almost 30 years of the lowest crime rate in the state. Look at
Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets

So now back to my opinion on CCW - - - I feel every citizen who is properly trained in safe, competent use should be required to have at least one firearm for the safety of them and their fellow citizens!

Now for someone (Rep. Suzanna Gratia Hupp ) who has lived the nightmare and can speak much better about it than I ever will. Please spend 5minutes and 24 seconds to listen to her true story.

I may have made a few enemies with this post but if it make you think GREAT!

vincent 12-10-2011 10:22 PM

Here's a link for all to enjoy, all the stats and facts about myths and general BS that the sheeple love to spew.

http://jpfo.org/pdf02/gun-facts-5.1.pdf

Big difference with this is they give sources at the bottom of every page, unlike the anti-rags...

neilage66 12-10-2011 11:11 PM

Thanks! JPFO is wonderful.

Just the document to email every leftist on the list!

I can already hear heads exploding.

danf_fl 12-10-2011 11:27 PM

Just don't go to those businesses.

It worked in Florida.

That is how it started here, now one rarely sees those signs.

lonewolf101 12-10-2011 11:34 PM

Hit thoes anti gun people in the pocketbooks! you will thoes signs go away.

thdrduck 12-11-2011 12:27 AM

Right after CC was allowed in WI my bank posted signs at the doors stating that no "guns" are allowed on the bank property. After about a week I mentioned to a teller that I thought the signs and policy were maybe not such a great idea. She had to ask why and I responded that it assured any would be bad guys that there were no armed good guys in the bank, you just told them that your bank relies on cameras to stop them. She didn't look as comfortable when I left as she did when I arrived.

danf_fl 12-11-2011 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by thdrduck (Post 648293)
Right after CC was allowed in WI my bank posted signs at the doors stating that no "guns" are allowed on the bank property. After about a week I mentioned to a teller that I thought the signs and policy were maybe not such a great idea. She had to ask why and I responded that it assured any would be bad guys that there were no armed good guys in the bank, you just told them that your bank relies on cameras to stop them. She didn't look as comfortable when I left as she did when I arrived.

I pulled my money out of a bank that had such a policy. As the word got around to others, the bank's policy changed.
A movie rental place had the same sign and was boycotted by carriers, their policy soon changed.

If I see such a sign, I do not enter and post a list in the "Thrifty Nickel" and on other lists. A newspaper classified ad does wonders. Signs come down when there is a coordinated effort.

towboater 12-12-2011 07:17 AM

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Axxe55 12-12-2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by towboater (Post 649589)
Isn't there a way to ban yangpeter url?

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Axxe55 12-12-2011 07:31 AM

in response to this, i will say a business has the right to refuse service to anyone, and as long as the properly worded and sized sign is used in Texas, then it is legal to restrict someone from carrying a concealed firearm. IMO, if you want this policy of theirs to change, then the approach that has been mentioned several times is the one i agree with. don't shop in these establishments and tell others not either, when they start losing money from law-abiding CCW patrons, they will have to make a decision to change their policy. i believe in a peaceful solution will have more merit than for CCW permit holders to disregard the signs.


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