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Old 09-18-2012, 10:54 PM   #121
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This bothers you?

Why doesn't it bother your neighbors so much?
I might be confusing the meaning of your questions...as they seem rhetorical

But yes, it bothers me. Why doesn't it bother them? Because they're too enamored with every day life and think it all sounds too hollywood to be true (had that said to me on several occasions...im just "over reacting")

Nobody wants to challenge these assertions head on, they'd rather beat around the bush and pull the tin foil hatter card.
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A.) We shouldn't be blaming Congress. "We the People" have allowed this **** to happen...and until we accept responsibility and change things...it'll keep getting worse.
I am sure that you are like me when I say this; everytime that I hear that the Bonehead in Charge does something like this, I immediately make contact with my elected officials on both sides of the fence and tell them that they need to do someting about it since they are my voice in Washington. And I also remind them, if necessary, as to who it is that writes their paycheck.

Their desire to have my vote the next time will determine their actions, and I tell them so.

So to put it plainly, be a pain in a$$ to your elected officials. You will sleep better at night (or day if you are on 3rd shift).
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Felons can't vote unless their rights have been restored.
Not True, In most States if your sentence is completed (completed probation or parole or prison sentence complete w no supervision remaining ) you can Vote..

I believe that there are a Handful of states left that Ban Everyone w a Felony Record...

Now once rights are restored thru an Expungement or pardon, All Rights are restored unless specifically stating otherwise.. IN NJ for example an expungement wipes clear the entire record and it doesnt come up ever. I believe other states an expungement may show in some instances... Anyhow, I know this as I have worked Polls as a Cop, escorting election officials and talking at length, then I looked it ip, Off Hand I know Florida bans ex felons from voting still, but a majority of states did away w those laws..
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Just thought I'd try to lighten the mood in this thread a little ...

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The number of democrats who own guns is on the rise. In fact, there are several groups that promote the RKBA with in the democratic party. It won't happen in this election cycle but in the future the democrats may have to abandon their anti-gun platform to appease their own voters.

The republicans are sending more and more gun owners to the democrats with their pro-life and tea party politics. The pro-life and in some cases anti-birth control stance of the republicans are driving off women by the millions.

Mitt said he can't persuade 47% of the people to vote for him. I think he has underestimated that number greatly. Women will not vote for Mitt either. During Mitts campaign he has drove off the elderly (AARP endorses Obama), women, and lower income voters. Many gun owners won't vote for mitt either. Obama has never signed any piece of legislation restricting the second amendment. in fact obama has expanded gun owners rights. we are all aware of mitts record on gun control. All we have is his word he has changed. Yah, right!

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The pro-life and in some cases anti-birth control stance of the republicans are driving off women by the millions.

All we have is his word he has changed. Yah, right!
I gotta say OC, unless your pro-life, the only other actual choice is one that most Men and Women are becoming less comfortable with, Pro-death. The Pro Choice folks pushed the envelope way to far for most people to be pro infanticide. Abortion has killed more humans in the last 20 years than Poverty, poor healthcare, wars, drugs and gun violence in the last 100 years.

The fact that The Republican Party has maintained the ideal that killing babies is wrong is honorable. Additionally, I do not personally know a single Republican, Conservative or T-Party Member that seeks to deny the right to protect the Mothers Life in the < 5% instance of Rape, Incest or life taking Physical distress of a possible life ending birth for Mothers with Serious Medical issues during pregnancy.

The only consistent American groups that are anti Birth Control is The Catholic Church and some smaller religious groups but they become less so every day and they arent really pro either Political Party as a group, more dependent on other issues than birth control.

As far as Mitt changing his stance on gun control, even the Democrat Party has pointed him out as flip flopping on this (which by all definitions is actually changing ones mind). Unless they oscillate back and forth like NY Weather, Mitt hasnt done that. The Democrats are trying to blast him for his obvious discernment between states rights and Federal responsibilities. He never said that everything thats good for Massachusetts is great for America, actually, he's proposed the opposite.

It seems disingenuous to propose that Mitts prior actions as Governor means thats exactly what he will do as President. After all, Bil Clinton was known for creating tens of thousands of jobs in the poultry industry in Arkansas but was certainly more concerned with finding someone else to choke on his as president; see, real change can come from Flip Flopping one they enter the Oral Office!
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I gotta say OC, unless your pro-life, the only other actual choice is one that most Men and Women are becoming less comfortable with, Pro-death. The Pro Choice folks pushed the envelope way to far for most people to be pro infanticide. Abortion has killed more humans in the last 20 years than Poverty, poor healthcare, wars, drugs and gun violence in the last 100 years.

The fact that The Republican Party has maintained the ideal that killing babies is wrong is honorable. Additionally, I do not personally know a single Republican, Conservative or T-Party Member that seeks to deny the right to protect the Mothers Life in the < 5% instance of Rape, Incest or life taking Physical distress of a possible life ending birth for Mothers with Serious Medical issues during pregnancy.

The only consistent American groups that are anti Birth Control is The Catholic Church and some smaller religious groups but they become less so every day and they arent really pro either Political Party as a group, more dependent on other issues than birth control.

As far as Mitt changing his stance on gun control, even the Democrat Party has pointed him out as flip flopping on this (which by all definitions is actually changing ones mind). Unless they oscillate back and forth like NY Weather, Mitt hasnt done that. The Democrats are trying to blast him for his obvious discernment between states rights and Federal responsibilities. He never said that everything thats good for Massachusetts is great for America, actually, he's proposed the opposite.

It seems disingenuous to propose that Mitts prior actions as Governor means thats exactly what he will do as President. After all, Bil Clinton was known for creating tens of thousands of jobs in the poultry industry in Arkansas but was certainly more concerned with finding someone else to choke on his as president; see, real change can come from Flip Flopping one they enter the Oral Office!
Your stand on abortion is a religious belief. I support your desire to worship as you please. But to force your religious beliefs down my throat is unamerican. There is a reason the founding fathers wanted separation of church and state. If you don't believe in abortion that is fine. You are free to have all the kids you want.

I am old enough to have seen the coat hanger abortions for the poor and the dirty doctors for women that could afford it. I know how many women will die trying to fix the mistakes they made.

As a former unwanted child I would prefer to see many more abortions than all the kids that are a burden to their parents. People on drugs or other things that all but guaranty the kid is going to have a bad life shouldn't have kids.

Another thing that makes it very hard for me to physically restrain myself is the people who are pro-life but they want to cut funding to food stamps and medicaid. If you are going to force people to have kids they can't afford to raise you need to help these people raise these unwanted kids. The kids that are born with birth defects because their parents were on drugs. They need to be made whole at the expense of the person that forced their birth.
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Your stand on abortion is a religious belief. I support your desire to worship as you please. But to force your religious beliefs down my throat is unamerican. There is a reason the founding fathers wanted separation of church and state. If you don't believe in abortion that is fine. You are free to have all the kids you want.

I am old enough to have seen the coat hanger abortions for the poor and the dirty doctors for women that could afford it. I know how many women will die trying to fix the mistakes they made.

As a former unwanted child I would prefer to see many more abortions than all the kids that are a burden to their parents. People on drugs or other things that all but guaranty the kid is going to have a bad life shouldn't have kids.

Another thing that makes it very hard for me to physically restrain myself is the people who are pro-life but they want to cut funding to food stamps and medicaid. If you are going to force people to have kids they can't afford to raise you need to help these people raise these unwanted kids. The kids that are born with birth defects because their parents were on drugs. They need to be made whole at the expense of the person that forced their birth.
Probably, the MODS will kill this response and likely they should, its not without controversy and has nothing to do with the 2A but I gotta respond anyways. Actually, My stance on abortion comes less from my religious underpinnings than it does my human side. Most religions virtually keep silent on the subject so they can keep their flock. Babies are our most precious gift, killing them before they see the light isnt much better than whacking them after they do.

This is a tangent, I apologize for running on it but for the sake of my own sanity and others, I must clarify, I am Pro choice but not pro abortion as a Birth control method. Just like shooting a weapon, the choices should all be made before the bullet leaves the barrel, hard to put it back once you pull the trigger. Every rule comes with exceptions and I have no issue permitting it as a method to save the life of a woman at risk of death from delivery or in the case of Incest or Rape but that really only accounts for about 5% of these procedures.

Please don't mistake my anti abortion stance as pious, holier than though or Master of the Universe. I also remember when Abortions were illegal in this country, it was really gruesome what folks did in its absence. That was before we were educated in Middle School on prevention of implantation, before birth control was available in 200 different forms, in school, in Drug Stores and via free clinics and other places. We had very few choices before having sex to prevent what we now know is easily prevented. If I went to the Drug store to buy condoms, The Pharmacist would have told my Mom that day, the party line was nearly as quick as IM's.

My Mom was really very liberal when it came to womans rights and while it wasnt my Moms first choice to support abortion of her future grand children, it was one she embraced before seeing my sister burdened with raising a child she nor my Mom could afford. My Middle sister was forced to do so in her middle teens and she paid a psychological price for that from that day forward, a two hour procedure stuck with her for eternity. I also lost my only biological offspring to an abortion when I was in my early 20's, something I have regretted forever. My wifes children have become mine over the last 20+ years and their children have become just like my own Grandchildren but I cant help but curse the day me and my Girlfriend of that time chose to destroy our child.

We easily understand the psychological trauma a soldier can carry for life once they kill another human being even in self defense, dont you think the same thing happens to our Daughters after the baby is ripped from their body? For every soldier that has experienced that in my lifetime, there are 20 young Women that grow old thinking about a choice they made before they were even mature enough to realize the consequences of that choice.

I dont propose a ban on abortion, I never have and the Republicans have taken an honorable stance that the law is the law but they wont condone it for their own children. An advanced society that cant figure out a better choice than telling our daughters to participate in Infanticide still has much to learn.
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I know how many women will die trying to fix the mistakes they made.
It is not Governments role to protect people from themselves. We are free to do as we choose, and thus we should be free to deal with those consequences of those choices.

Abortion boils down to one question: Are you comfortable killing a human child. Because that's what's happening. Courts recognize killing a pregnant woman as double homicide, so our laws are already in place to set that precedent.

Personally, I don't care about abortion, I don't want it to be illegal, but I also don't want a single red penny of tax dollars going to pay for it. Tax dollars to abortion clinics pays for abortions.

But I digress, this is extremely off topic...of my own topic

Just sick & tired of the liberal idea that Government should exist to run peoples lives for them. It's a simple concept: The kid who eats too many marbles doesn't grow up to have kids of his own. Nature. Finds a way.

Government: Don't ban marbles...or to put it another way...my view on Government and its role nanny state:

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I wish to add my 2 cents on these two topics.

I respect the opinions posted here between Old Crow, WebleyFosbery38, and PrimePorkchop.

My input is as follows:

1) Obama and his cronies namely Hilary will try to do everything possible to hamstring our 2A rights. Obama will not come out and do it directly because that is what a coward does. He will have others do it for him. Reference the U.N. Treaty actions of late.

2) Romney did sign a piece of legislature that restricted certain magazines and firearms. It did not take away their 2A rights, just weakened them to a degree. One needs to remember that what was done by him can be undone by the people of Massachusetts.

3) I am against abortion as a whole, but I am morally stuck on the Rape and Incest issue. That is something that I have to pray on. I see abortion as sanctioned murder, and if is legal then I should be able to arbitrarily kill someone at random. Would I, hell no! There are only 4 reasons that I would kill (defense of country, home, family & friends, and self.), but abortion is not one of them. If a woman, or a man and a woman wants to get an abortion, then she or they should have to pay for it out of their pocket, not out of mine.

If I have offended anyone with statement #3, it was not intentional.

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