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Old 03-18-2013, 01:39 AM   #141
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American citizens, British subjects, hmm. Last I heard Obama was now able to assassinate you without trial, you have armed drones in your skies which are now allowed to fire on you, the police are tracking your cell phone wherever you go, you have a Dept. of home land security armed to the teeth ready to work with the drones to take out the little clans of Alex Jones types and everyone else prepared to fire on the government, I could go on.

We don't have any of that, and I can't remember the Queen ever having anything to do with my life, they are just another bunch of annoying celebrities that people are obsessed with.

So our gun laws are tight, wow, we can still get them though. At least we don't have school massacres every year, and yes I respect your gun rights but lets be honest it wouldn't be under such scrutiny and heavy criticism if it was perfect. We had a couple of nutters slip thought the cracks of the health service recently, one said she was scared that she was gojng to kill people, they ignored her and she got a knife and cut another womans head off in the street, had she been in the US she might have shot her mum and stolen her AR-15 and walked into a school?. Hmm, so yeah I'm not totally against our system and am not ignorant enough to believe its their to protect the Royal Familly or Government FFS. You really think anyone that serious wouldn't get a rifle?. We're allowed .50BMG and .338 Lap, not the sort of things Kim Jong Il would allow is It?.

Oh but we will be doomed when our government goes tyrannical?, not really, look at the recent London riots, our government couldn't control just a bunch of (mostly) unarmed kids setting fire to everything, they haven't been able to successfully kill off the IRA either, our government are the last thing I'm worried about. The fact is we are very careful about intrusions on our day to day life whereas you guys have sat back and let all sorts pass you by. What about that huge facility recently built to monitor your every mouse click while online?.

Sorry guy I'm not having a go at any other country but I can't help but feel your ripping into ours, and some of you just expect us to sit back and say 'oh yeah we suck totally, we have to bow to the queen' etc, etc. It would be one thing if it were true, such as our press being controlled?, really are you serious?. I will agree we have a funny way of dealing with self defense, and some other things, but be reasonable we're not completely **** like your trying to make us sound.

Apologies to all reasonable Americans, my argument is not with you. You've got a lot of things right over there obviously, but some are going a bit far in their criticism of others only to think we're criticising them by pointing it out.

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American citizens, British subjects, hmm. Last I heard Obama was now able to assassinate you without trial, you have armed drones in your skies which are now allowed to fire on you, the police are tracking your cell phone wherever you go, you have a Dept. of home land security armed to the teeth ready to work with the drones to take out the little clans of Alex Jones types and everyone else prepared to fire on the government, I could go on.

Yes, and ALL of the laws that allow the government to do that is in direct violation of the US constitution. Of course, we have something the UK will never have. The ability to actually resist tyranny should we need to. US gun owners WAY outnumber any military in the world. Usually several times over.

We don't have any of that, and I can't remember the Queen ever having anything to do with my life, they are just another bunch of annoying celebrities that people are obsessed with.

True, but from what I've seen, parliament sees you as subjects just the same.

So our gun laws are tight, wow, we can still get them though. At least we don't have school massacres every year, and yes I respect your gun rights but lets be honest it wouldn't be under such scrutiny and heavy criticism if it was perfect. We had a couple of nutters slip thought the cracks of the health service recently, one said she was scared that she was gojng to kill people, they ignored her and she got a knife and cut another womans head off in the street, had she been in the US she might have shot her mum and stolen her AR-15 and walked into a school?. Hmm, so yeah I'm not totally against our system and am not ignorant enough to believe its their to protect the Royal Familly or Government FFS. You really think anyone that serious wouldn't get a rifle?. We're allowed .50BMG and .338 Lap, not the sort of things Kim Jong Il would allow is It?.

So you support gun control. Unfortunately, your logic is flawed. Bans do nothing to stop crimes, the UK is proof of that. You gun crimes may have been reduced, but your overall violent crime has skyrocketed. Bad people will always find ways to carry out their plans. Bans won't stop them.
IIRC, your country is having problems with criminals getting grenades, I'm pretty sure those are banned in you country. Also, a man in China went on a stabbing spree at a school. Gun laws didn't prevent that tragedy.
Your population is roughly 80% smaller than ours, and not nearly as diverse. THAT is why we have more tragedies. Statistically, they are bound to happen. We have more crazies because we have a MUCH larger population. No amount of laws can stop that. If those people want to commit horrible killings, they will find a way. If not guns, they may use knives, or even explosives.


Oh but we will be doomed when our government goes tyrannical?, not really, look at the recent London riots, our government couldn't control just a bunch of (mostly) unarmed kids setting fire to everything, they haven't been able to successfully kill off the IRA either, our government are the last thing I'm worried about. The fact is we are very careful about intrusions on our day to day life whereas you guys have sat back and let all sorts pass you by. What about that huge facility recently built to monitor your every mouse click while online?.

Your government didn't order your military and police to open fire on everyone. Had they, you would have been royally screwed.


Sorry guy I'm not having a go at any other country but I can't help but feel your ripping into ours, and some of you just expect us to sit back and say 'oh yeah we suck totally, we have to bow to the queen' etc, etc. It would be one thing if it were true, such as our press being controlled?, really are you serious?. I will agree we have a funny way of dealing with self defense, and some other things, but be reasonable we're not completely **** like your trying to make us sound.

There is a difference between ripping into your country, and pointing out facts. Is America perfect? No, and I recognize that. I'm not one of those people that go around with their head up their bum saying how perfect America is. Our Government sucks, our legal system is a mess. and 1/3 of the country is making it worse for the other 2/3.
It's time for you and your people to start recognizing those facts, and start making them vocal. You should DEMAND that your government leave your guns alone, and DEMAND that they start protecting the law abiding citizens instead of the criminals.


Apologies to all reasonable Americans, my argument is not with you. You've got a lot of things right over there obviously, but some are going a bit far in their criticism of others only to think we're criticising them by pointing it out.
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Where are drones shooting American civilians? Where are police attacking innocent citizens. America has an armed civilian force 4 times larger than the entire American military.
Are you really that out of touch concerning the United States?

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I'm sure Billy Bob and his AR is going to be a force to be reckoned with after your Government order a Hellfire missile to be delivered through his ceiling. Lets be honest, yes you will make life difficult for them, and the hassle will make them think twice, fair enough, but unless your as well equipped and organised as they are there's going to be a lot of dead gun owners should you ever start fighting the Government.


From what I've seen the parliament have to slap it out in public view, and they are under constant scrutiny by the media, they only see minorities like gun owner as "subjects" because unfortunately that's how the vast majority of the public wants us to be seen. If the people wanted huge gun freedoms the parliament would probably give it to keep them in favour. Its about votes to them, banning handguns earned votes, no it wasn't the logical thing to do. I support gun control to a degree the same as you do, would you mind if gun shops were able to sell gatling guns to people like Lanza and those other fruitloops? No I doubt it, so that's gun control. I support common sense measures such as safe storage requirements, most responsible gun owners lock their gear up but Lanza didn't, if she had maybe this would never have happened and you wouldn't need to be fighting against gun bans. Your teaching me to suck eggs, I know all that but when a kid flips here I'm glad they can't walk straight into their mums room and grab something that you guys openly admit to potentially taking to war with your Government, you talk about knives in China, yes but non of those killings match Lanza's for the exact same reason you wouldn't take a kitchen knife to fight your military!. The freak shouldn't have been able to get hold of it, end of story, that doesn't mean I support stupid gun control measures like Obama is pushing for.

Demand?, demand what?, political SUICIDE from our representatives?. Their not going to give our handguns and ARs back. The culture is not the same here my friend, people don't want it so the Government sure as hell wouldn't even suggest it if they value their job. We do have a small gun lobby fighting all they can in such small numbers.

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I think its quite insulting to claim we will all be screwed if our government decided to fire on us. The military probably wouldn't for starters, the police are thankfully very poorly armed compared to the numbers of guns we own, and unlike the US we don't have a DHS army. Oh and just because 50% of the guns here are registered, doesn't mean we will give them back if their shooting at us in the streets!.

Anyway if your talking about fighting well trained and equipped forces such as your military with small arms, how well has that worked out for the taliban?. The last attack they made with their firearms was a suicide mission and they knew it. When they want to kill our military and live to tell the tale, they don't confront them with pea shooting AKs, they leave little packages here and there. A fight like you often talk about will predominantly be with IEDs and gun control doesn't make those any harder to build.

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The British subjects are very much like the American Democrats. They believe the government should make all the decisions for the people. The post is clear. Freedom is always the problem in the eyes of the Euro-Socialist. The British subject fully believes if the government controls your life you would be safe and live for ever.
England has not offered any leadership or developed anything for over 100 years. How does a nation of subjects expect to progress in the modern world?

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The British subjects are very much like the American Democrats. They believe the government should make all the decisions for the people. The post is clear. Freedom is always the problem in the eyes of the Euro-Socialist. The British subject fully believes if the government controls your life you would be safe and live for ever.
England has not offered any leadership or developed anything for over 100 years. How does a nation of subjects expect to progress in the modern world?
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The British subjects are very much like the American Democrats. They believe the government should make all the decisions for the people. The post is clear. Freedom is always the problem in the eyes of the Euro-Socialist. The British subject fully believes if the government controls your life you would be safe and live for ever.
England has not offered any leadership or developed anything for over 100 years. How does a nation of subjects expect to progress in the modern world?
Pot... kettle... what's that about about the Dept of homeland security?, heavily armed police forces?, armed Predator drones circling over your head?, the Utah data spying center?, new laws that allow your so called citizens to be secretly assassinated by Obama?, I could go on.
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