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Old 03-17-2013, 10:58 AM   #101
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The victim may only defend himself with a government approved weapons and must never ever pursue the criminal for punishment or prosecution. That is why Englishmen refer to themselves as Subjects
Wrong again you can use any weapon that comes to hand firearms knifes etc. Lets cut the BS if you pursue a criminal in America and kill him after he is no longer a threat you could end up in jail.

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What you fail to mention is that your country has less gun violence due to that fact that there is close to absolutely no gun circulation; which some people think that answers all of the crime problems.
Wrong as well there are plenty of firearms in circulation. Take the part of the uk i live in for example. Quote. AS the Department of Justice consults on proposed changes to firearms licensing laws here, The Detail can reveal information about the owners of Northern Ireland’s 153,459 legally held guns.

Almost 60,000 members of the public own over 146,000 firearms with the remaining 7,018 legally held guns belonging to serving police and prison officers.

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What you fail to mention is that your country has less gun violence due to that fact that there is close to absolutely no gun circulation
So more guns mean more firearm related deaths. You are making a good argument for gun control.

PS I still have to see where i have posted that there should be further gun control in America.

People post on this site about uk laws and gun controls and even tough in most cases even when the facts are put in front of them they chose to believe their informed rubbish they see or read in the papers. And then complain when some in the uk believe what they read in the papers and see in the media. Even tough their own minds are closed when it comes to the facts.

People are rightly cross when people like Piers Morgan preach to Americans about gun control and misrepresent the facts. But are quite happy to do the same regards self defence and firearms laws in the uk. That just showed you to be hippocrates and as bad as Morgan.
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Wrong again you can use any weapon that comes to hand firearms knifes etc. Lets cut the BS if you pursue a criminal in America and kill him after he is no longer a threat you could end up in jail.

Wrong as well there are plenty of firearms in circulation. Take the part of the uk i live in for example. Quote. AS the Department of Justice consults on proposed changes to firearms licensing laws here, The Detail can reveal information about the owners of Northern Ireland’s 153,459 legally held guns.

Almost 60,000 members of the public own over 146,000 firearms with the remaining 7,018 legally held guns belonging to serving police and prison officers.


So more guns mean more firearm related deaths. You are making a good argument for gun control.

PS I still have to see where i have posted that there should be further gun control in America.

People post on this site about uk laws and gun controls and even tough in most cases even when the facts are put in front of them they chose to believe their informed rubbish they see or read in the papers. And then complain when some in the uk believe what they read in the papers and see in the media. Even tough their own minds are closed when it comes to the facts.

People are rightly cross when people like Piers Morgan preach to Americans about gun control and misrepresent the facts. But are quite happy to do the same regards self defence and firearms laws in the uk. That just showed you to be hippocrates and as bad as Morgan.
Sure, WE'RE the ones with closed minds when it comes to the facts.

Funny how you seem to be the only one here standing up for your Governments laws and practices. I've have read a lot of posts here from people from/in the UK. The general consensus is that the gun laws are horrible, self defense is generally looked down upon, and many of them want to come here so they don't have to deal with all that BS.
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:33 AM   #103
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I am trying to inform what the laws are in the UK. Perhaps you should show me where i said that i agreed with are supported the UK laws regarding self defence and firearms laws.
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Ifcshooter, I am familiar with the state of freedom in England. Having spent time there and having worked for British companies. England has now reached police state status.
As for American freedom? We have have had the Dooms Day criers for as long as I can remember. The facts are, our freedoms have increased in most states. The right to carry concealed weapons has swept the nation. We have more states pressing for Constitutional status. The courts have ruled in favor of gun owners in every case in recent history.
Obama like all liberals uses gun control, abortion and gay rights to hid behind while the economy crashes. Don't confuse this with America becoming like England. Remember Americans decided that issue in 1776 and we have not forgotten.

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I am trying to inform what the laws are in the UK. Perhaps you should show me where i said that i agreed with are supported the UK laws regarding self defence and firearms laws.
I would, but that would be a LOOOOONG post. Lets just start with how you defended your governments actions over the soldier, and the people who defended themselves.
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Ifcshooter, I am familiar with the state of freedom in England. Having spent time there and having worked for British companies. England has now reached police state status.
As for American freedom? We have have had the Dooms Day criers for as long as I can remember. The facts are, our freedoms have increased in most states. The right to carry concealed weapons has swept the nation. We have more states pressing for Constitutional status. The courts have ruled in favor of gun owners in every case in recent history.
Obama like all liberals uses gun control, abortion and gay rights to hid behind while the economy crashes. Don't confuse this with America becoming like England. Remember Americans decided that issue in 1776 and we have not forgotten.
We also decided it again in 1812.
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I would, but that would be a LOOOOONG post. Lets just start with how you defended your governments actions over the soldier, and the people who defended themselves.
He was caught with a illegal firearm. He pleaded guilty at a court martial. That's illegal in uk law whether i or you like it or not. I am sure there are a lot of laws in America i could find to disagree with if i wanted to. But as i don't live in America it doesn't concern me so i don't know why you seem so concerned by uk laws. PS I will refer to my earlier post bellow.

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I would worry more about the gun grabbers and the media in America. Its irrelevant what the uk press say, regards gun laws in America
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Manta, what is your nationality?

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He was caught with a illegal firearm. He pleaded guilty at a court martial. That's illegal in uk law whether i or you like it or not. I am sure there are a lot of laws in America i could find to disagree with if i wanted to. But as i don't live in America it doesn't concern me so i don't know why you seem so concerned by uk laws. PS I will refer to my earlier post bellow.
He DIDN'T even know he had it. THIS is what's wrong with your country's Government, and the horrible laws they create. There is NO way to defend your Governments actions. They were deplorable, unjustified, and despicable.

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Towards the end of the tour Sgt Nightingale was presented with a 9mm Glock by the Iraqis as a gift.

He intended to have it decommissioned and hung on the SAS sergeants’ mess wall as a war trophy, alongside dozens of others amassed by the regiment in operations.


But days before he was due to be flown home, two members of his squadron, Sgt John Battersby and Cpl Lee Fitzsimmons, were killed when their helicopter crashed. The two men were burnt to death, and Sgt Nightingale was escorted the bodies back home and helped arrange the funerals of his friends.

“As soon as Danny returned home he went straight to John’s wife offering her support and arranging the funerals.

"He was exhausted, all of his squadron were, but he would not talk about what happened on operations - he never did and I accepted that,” his wife said.

Meanwhile his operational equipment - and the pistol - was packed away in Iraq by members of the regiment and sent back to Hereford, where it remained locked away on the base in the secure “cage” which every SAS trooper uses.

The couple on their wedding day and Sgt Danny Nightingale on duty

Stung by the death of his two friends, Sgt Nightingale decided to raise thousands of pound for the regiment’s “Clock Tower Fund”, which supports the widows and orphans of dead SAS soldiers by choosing to take partin one of the most arduous races on earth - the Brazil Jungle Marathon where competitors race over 200 miles through the Amazon basin.

But ultimately the race would prove to be Sgt Nightingale’s undoing and set him on a journey which would end with his imprisonment.

On the first day of competition he collapsed. As medics fought to revive him, Sgt Nightingale’s body temperature rose to 111F and his body began to convulse in series of violent fits before he slipped into a three-day coma.

He was eventually flown back to Britain, virtually unable to speak and suffering from terrible memory loss.


“He was talking like a two-year-old and couldn’t even remember he had a daughter,” his wife continued..

“I don’t actually think he could remember anything at all. He was sent to Headley Court but only for rehabilitation, there were no brain functioning tests or anything.

“A few weeks later he was out and the SAS said take two weeks off and come back to work. In the end he was off for three months.”

But Danny was not the same person. He had suffered brain damage and would later learn that he had lost pockets of memory.

Crucially, one of them was the Glock pistol, locked away inside the cage within the headquarters, which had disappeared from his memory.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9669051/SAS-war-hero-betrayed-by-the-Army-says-wife.html
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