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Old 07-03-2010, 06:11 PM   #21
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It's time to put a stop to the insane way the goverment is being run. Every State should have a vigilante force. No more slap on the hand for felonies. If your caught with illegal drugs and guns its two behind the head after your cuffed and kneeling on the street!!! Then your tagged as such and left for the buzzards. Same goes for dirty Cops, and Government Officials. When the working class, tax paying, I give $hit people start to finally take over we might be able to save whats left of this Failing country. I'm ready, are you?
Sorry to get off topic again but I must address this or I will not feel good about this.
Call it a compulsion.

Anyway-
I'm all for locking up real criminals and tossing out the key,and re-instating the death penalty for a broader range of offenses such as rape as well as murder,IMHO rapists -especially those despicable enough to victimize children- deserve a fast drop with a sudden stop.
However-due process is a pre-requisite to proper justice.

Do I think the government should get off our backs if someone has violated our rights and they end up dead while committing their crime against us?
Absolutely.
I'm tired of all the stories about robbers and rapists getting shot down and the victim being held on criminal charges because the state doesn't like the way he or she defended themselves.
But vigilantism does not make a good replacement for due process.

And I'm also tired of real criminals -the murderers,rapists,robbers,etc- being likened to druggies.

Just where in the Constitution of the United States of America do you see government authorization for this war on drugs?
You are aware that the first prohibition-the Volstead act-actually required an amendment to the Constitution to legitimize government authority to enforce it?

I love hearing all the argument about how the Constitution doesn't authorize the Health Care Scam -which it most certainly does not- from people who think the war on drugs is a legitimate excersize of government authority,which it most definitely is not.

Mark my words as written here and now-the quickest way we will short circuit a re-birth of this Republic and a rectification of Constitutional principles and limited government from the abuses and tyranny of almost 100 years of socialist progressive 'revisionism' and 'fundamental change' is if we ourselves pay only lip service to the principles of life,liberty,and the pursuit of happiness,and believe that our violations of the liberty of others are more justifiable in their means and ends than the violations of liberty perpetrated by our political opposites.

We can have a Constitutional Republic that allows us the liberty to live and let live or a government that restricts us from making our own mistakes "for our own good" or whatever-but we cannot have both.

Maybe,just maybe-if we stopped tossing millions of people in the joint for a dime bag,overworking our police,courts,jails and prisons for what would otherwise be a victim-less crime-we could focus on the few thousand who really need to be incarcerated.
You know.
Those killers,rapists and robbers.

If we stopped likening people who choose to abuse substances to serious criminals,we could perhaps actually start dealing with the serious crimes that our rapidly dwindling resources should be used to address.

Lastly,did you know what your saying-shooting suspected criminals in the back of the head -even drug abusers- is what they do in oligarchical third world s**tholes like Iran?

So we should be like Iran?

And I'm not even gonna touch the inclusion of political opponents in this,because-yet again,thats what they do in oligarchical despotic nations that most likely dont even have words to describe the right to free political expression.

With all due respect,I want you,willshoum,sir,to please read the following and understand it:


“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”
-Thomas Paine

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
-Thomas Jefferson

I now yield to the topic and apologize for the hijack.
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well, as predicted by many, there is all ready a lawsuit filed against the new ordinance...

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It's time to put a stop to the insane way the goverment is being run. Every State should have a vigilante force. No more slap on the hand for felonies. If your caught with illegal drugs and guns its two behind the head after your cuffed and kneeling on the street!!! Then your tagged as such and left for the buzzards. Same goes for dirty Cops, and Government Officials. When the working class, tax paying, I give $hit people start to finally take over we might be able to save whats left of this Failing country. I'm ready, are you?
So, who decides who lives and who dies? YOU?

What you are advocating is armed revolution and anarchy, which goes against everything our nation was founded on. You don't seem to want to "save" our country, you are suggesting mob violence vis-a-vis the Taliban. That is not what we are about.
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So, who decides who lives and who dies? YOU?

What you are advocating is armed revolution and anarchy, which goes against everything our nation was founded on. You don't seem to want to "save" our country, you are suggesting mob violence vis-a-vis the Taliban. That is not what we are about.
I'f I rember right It's the same thing the American Indian Fought for.
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all tyrannies started with gun control.please correct me if i were wrong.

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all tyrannies started with gun control.please correct me if i were wrong.
Its not so much how it begins,rather,'gun control' regulation schemes are more a necessary ingredient,than a starting point for a totalitarian oligarchy.

In learning about the history of the Gun Control Act of 1968,for example,one cannot help but take note that many of the German laws that have been copied verbatim and legislated here in America and were about controlling weapons in Germany were 'on the books' before the Nazi takeover-but those laws were most certainly helpful in establishing the total control of weapons that the Nazis enjoyed.

A totalitarian regime must have a monopoly on many things-food,industry,and military might,AKA-use of force being some of the most important.
If a tyrannical state does not have total control of use of force,it cannot enforce total and utter obedience to its will.

As Chairman Mao said-"all political power comes from the barrel of a gun".

But many advocates of 'gun control' simply do not understand this.
They do not understand that the Second Amendment isnt just about sports with firearms or a militia or even an antiquated concept(people who say that the Second is antiquated do not understand that some principles of human government are as constant and timeless as the cycle of life and death itself)-it is about a balance of power to head off the possibility of a tyrannical government in America.
Our founders knew by direct experience that when a tyrant wants your guns its because he wants you helpless.
But most 'gun control' advocates were not properly educated as to the historical facts surrounding the issue in public schools.
They see crime and they see violence and they immediately jump on the band wagon thats been promoted so heavily by politicians and the media.

So,when debating 'gun control' with advocates of tighter regulations,it has to be remembered that those people actually believe they are trying to do good,and they simply are not considering the reality that for a totalitarian regime to exist,it must have a monopoly on the use of force.
They themselves may not be trying to empower the next Hitler or Stalin,but they are simply willfully ignorant of the historical evidence that points to the fact that a nation whose government has a total monopoly on the use of force is a nation of subjects to that governments will.
Whether that government becomes a democidal regime that costs the lives of millions or even tens of millions of its unarmed and helpless subjects,takes a more lengthy list of differing circumstances and is wholly dependent on each separate regime.

But being unarmed and helpless in the face of crime and criminals that don't obey the law costs innocent lives that a government that is wrongfully denying the inalienable human right to self defense of its subjects is responsible for just as if it was doing the killing itself.

And most certainly,I don't want to be addressing my local elected representatives as 'your grace' any time soon.

I'd rather live as a citizen of a free land than a subject of tyrants and their minions who believe I exist by leave of their 'good graces'.

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