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Old 04-26-2012, 03:19 PM   #61
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yes we do need to prove to the anti gun people that we are responsible and safety minded people who exercise our rights to bear arms. i am not afraid of what the liberals think, nor should anyone who defends the 2nd admendment.
Those two sentences contradict each other.

Either you care what idiots think or you don't.

Me, I don't care.

If gun-grabbers want to make their argument, let it be on them to show how owning firearms screws things up.
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I would go to bet that Combs would have been Ok up until the time he refused to produce his driver's license.
Why provoke an officer who is trying to do his job?
Too many people are trying to prove the wrong point. Open carry where it is legal is fine for them. Just not for me personally.

When asked for his ID what was to be gained for not showing it? A confrontation, that is what he got, while I agree he should have not needed to show it at all.

LEO have a dangerous job, they are always under the watchful eye with all of the web cams today. If they treat you with respect show them some common courtesy and make the whole encounter more pleasant for everyone. As I feel the big picture here is that everyone goes home at night.
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Can you link us the case?
http://volokh.com/2012/04/23/michigan-supreme-court-reaffirms-right-to-physically-but-nonlethally-resist-illegal-police-conduct/
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i might be mistaken, but if a LEO asks for your ID, then you are required by law to show it.
Depends on the state. MI does not require it, read my quoted passage from the MI State Police Update #86
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Really? Which SJC case states that?

Castle Rock v. Gonzales, No. 04-278 - SCOTUS ruled that police have "no duty to protect the individual".
Let me ask you a question, if there is no duty to protect an individual, do they have a duty to protect 3 people, how about 10 people? Several appeals court cases and state supreme court cases have all responded the same way, LEO does not have a duty to protect.
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Let me ask you a question, if there is no duty to protect an individual, do they have a duty to protect 3 people, how about 10 people? Several appeals court cases and state supreme court cases have all responded the same way, LEO does not have a duty to protect.
I have great respect for leo's, but Protect and serve,,my ass. Amazed how many are not aware of this. At one time,, long ago protect and serve rang true,, more and more they are becoming revenue collectors, and glorified grifters with guns.
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I have great respect for leo's, but Protect and serve,,my ass. Amazed how many are not aware of this. At one time,, long ago protect and serve rang true,, more and more they are becoming revenue collectors, and glorified grifters with guns.
I sorry but reading this it is hard for me to believe you have any respect.
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I sorry but reading this it is hard for me to believe you have any respect.
respect is EARNED!
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respect is EARNED!
Your correct and most who have put on a police, firefight and military uniform have earned mine.
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Your correct and most who have put on a police, firefight and military uniform have earned mine.
The 4 out of 6 whom with I've spoken to recently have taught me that the uniform does not mean they should have my respect automatically. In fact the opposite. The other 2 never said a word or did a thing.
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