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Old 04-29-2012, 12:16 PM   #111
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Why wouldn't the logical assumption he got a gun from his fathers gun case. The old saying goes never assume anything it make an ass u me
My father in law, who was born in the depression era, laughed at arresting this young man carrying a rifle. He talks about taking his rifle to school when he was a boy.
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My father in law, who was born in the depression era, laughed at arresting this young man carrying a rifle. He talks about taking his rifle to school when he was a boy.
Very true but times have changed.
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First of all I think there has been well mannered debate on this topic.
I enjoy threads that are well behaved even though at times I just
cannot resist the erge to stir the poop... I do not intend to here.

My experience with LEO's is there are basically two kinda cops. Ones
that view their profession to help people and provide direction and
security within the confines of the law. And a minority (but growing
number) that have their own "interpetation" of the law and their duties.
Sounds to me like Robocop is one of the former types. I have quite
a bit of social interaction with LEO's the first group does not care much
for the second group either.

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The law requires you to be 18 years of age or older to openly carry a long gun in Michigan. So, what is the best way to prove your age?
So what if...
The LEO walked up to Coombs and says, "Excuse me young man, can I see
your ID to confirm that you are 18 or older. So that you are in compliance
with Michigan Law covering Open Carry." I believe the LEO is would be
completely correct in doing so. Asking for proof of age when the law
clearly place age restrictions is well within the perview of LEO's duties.
I do not think that this is what happened here. But if it did go down that
way and Coombs still refused to show any ID then I would be more inclined
to side with the LEO.

Now in my mind if the LEO was of the first type I described above and
Coombs was 17 and not 18. The LEO would have taken the kid and the
rifle home explained the situtation to Mom and Dad and left the kid to
the parents.

Maybe I am just living in a fairy tale land.

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At the heart of the matter is there are LEO all over the U.S. that just don't want anyone but them having a handgun. And some will not care what the law is. But to put it into perspective if the cops are called to you open carrying you are still the man with a gun. It would be in the best interest to diffuse the problem as soon as possible. Let them run my name I really don't care. But they wouldn't stop me from carrying open if I chose to and sooner or later they will get tired of coming out to see me.
Excellent approach. You hear alot of the opposition to OC and CC descibe
that the Nation would revert to the Wild West. Well what they are thinking
of the Wild West is Hollywood's interpertation; not the actual Wild West.

Maybe getting the real Wild West back would be an improvement.

http://www.examiner.com/article/dispelling-the-myth-of-the-wild-west

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My father in law, who was born in the depression era, laughed at arresting this young man carrying a rifle. He talks about taking his rifle to school when he was a boy.
Once in High School my friend and I were called down to the principal's
office. He simply asked us to follow him, we walked out to the parking
lot to my friend's truck. He asked if we had guns in the back. Yes, we
were going hunting right after school. You could see the cased shotguns
and the boxes of ammo next to them. His response, "Next time cover them
up with a blanket, I have teachers working for me that are anti-gun "C-word"
(yes he actually said that to us as students) and I do not want to have to
deal with their crap." As he turned to walked away he said, "Good luck
hunting." We covered them with an old army blanket and went back to class
they next day we brought in one of the backstraps and gave to the principal.
He very much appreciated it. We kept our guns out of view from there on.
Never a word was mentioned again, and we kept our guns out of plain view.

Today, they would have called in the SWAT team.
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It's also federal law that you have to be 18 to purchase a gun. The logical assumption would be that he was 18, unless he had the appearance and build of a 15 year old. But even then, the cop is on thin ice for this arrest.
The cop had every right to ask who he was, how old he was, what he was doing, and did he have ID. The kid had every right to use the 4th amendment.
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Very true but times have changed.
For the worse. Amazing huh? I'd rather have lived during the great depression.
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Seems like this subject has been flogged to death already.
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I think the cops are getting a bad deal here.

I think the ratio of good cops and bad cops probably corresponds with the number if azhole mechanics who rip off unknowing customers or contractors who quote you big bucks for a job worth half.

People abuse their positions in everyday life it's human nature. Knowing how to deal with asshats is the key.

I have encountered more good cops than bad ones in NH and have to say in general police in the states are 10x better than cops in other countries.

Currently in Ireland Studying mech eng and the cops here suck. There are no guns here to cause this kind of problem but they sure shine in other areas

A buddy of mine got thrown in the back of a paddywagon after a night on the town to a couple cops who gave him such a bad beating he's deaf in one ear. After they dumped him on a country road. This is not an isolated incident.


U talk about a 9 minute reaction time? Try 45 mins if you live outside town and anywhere in between if your in town. It's a joke.

People take cops for granted in the states. In general they are professional and courteous,

There are too many sides to this issue for a simple answer.

I think more open carry events and family cookouts should be organised to spread awareness first before going off half cocked and getting bad press for having a confrontation with leos.

1 guy OC sticks out 10 people dont
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I disagree that we shouldn't push back against ignorant LEOs and others. That's exactly what we need to do right now. The alternative is tacit approval of and acquiescence to their heavy-handed tactics.
TSA is a perfect example. While defiance at the check point might not be the way to start, pressuring congress critters to get some guts and do something other than just blather some platitudes to mollify the outspoken is what must happen. Of course, that will only work in areas where there is a large constituency of conservative voters. Liberals in San Fran or LA or NY.....will never have to worry; they'll only lose to another liberal that doesn't give a damn about your rights anyhow. What really ticks me off is after so much wailing and gnashing of teeth was done by the left at the way the "Tea Party" was winning elections left and right; what the hell happened to them? It seems to me that a lot of them have been cowed by the conservative establishment. It's they who needs to be voted out since they don't want to rock the boat. Heaven forbid if the media doesn't like them or they aren't liked by their liberal counterparts. They better worry that I like them or they're gone. Just need to get enough conservatives to show up at the poll to actually do something.
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Open carry is also legal here in nc , long gun or pistol , we need a permit to conceal , but riding around in a car or truck with one loaded is also ok , But if you keep it in the glove box w/o a cc your in trouble , best to leave it on the seat and you had better tell them asap when you get pulled , I typically yell it out as soon as he gets out of the car along with caliber and thats its unloaded and on the dash and where the Mag or rounds are at , i try to separate as much as possible but shy of a field strip lol .
Yes you can open carry a Ak-47 into walmart , is it legal ? yep , Is it going to freak people out ? Oh certainly ? Will the leos get called ? Before you even get into the store . And lets face it , If I see someone toting a long gun or ak into a place like walmart then yea , I may think he is up to no good or has a few screws loose .
We called a kid in one time '' A actual kid '' B/c he was decked out in cammo with a side arm and long gun strapped around him walking down the sidewalk towards the movie theater . Quickest response time ever by the PD . Turned out to be a air soft .
I carry about 50% of the time , I dont have a cc permit nor do I want one , But You can clearly see the grips and holster sticking out of my pocket so it being considered a true concealed would be up for debate .
I think the leo had every right to ask for ID , it does not matter if they fall in the d ick head catagory or the nice guy , they have a hard enough job dealing with punks and the like , not to mention its nice to be respectful of your elders when they ask you something .
I dont particularly like open , I hate it when people keep coming up wanting to see it or ask about it , like hey is that 44 mag or 1911 or snubbie ? .......
No dumbass its a taurus 9mm , go away . lol I could tell half of them its a M14 and they would believe it and say its cool .

Teens here can carry long guns under 21 years old but cant carry or be in possession of a handgun least it be taken away
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What really ticks me off is after so much wailing and gnashing of teeth was done by the left at the way the "Tea Party" was winning elections left and right; what the hell happened to them? It seems to me that a lot of them have been cowed by the conservative establishment.
I think the socialist media has done more to cow them than the
conservatives. But we can debate that elsewhere.
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