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Old 07-17-2008, 04:40 PM   #11
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You can "deal with" what ever the next Supreme Court throws at us. And you'll be dealing with it for the rest of your life too. Whatever immoral shi% they want to force down your throat you WILL be dealing with, and you won't be able to do a damned thing about it because you voted for it, and it will be here to stay for many , many years, not just the next couple election cycles like all you "principled" voters seem to think.
If I were to say I'm voting directly for Obama, would that wind you up even more?

Seriously, lighten up a little bit.


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You know, this back and forth, while interesting, isn't what is troubling me at the moment.

Has anyone actually listened to McCain speak publicly lately?!

I listened to him try to backpeddle out of that "mental recession" comment that was made by Phil Gramm and I have to tell you, he didn't come off as the most articulate person to run for office.

I work with, unfortunately, a bunch of young, wide eyed, never traveled outside the US, never walked a post, liberal minded snot noses, and a bunch of Kalofornia transplant Dems from years gone by. The one they can all agree on is that McCain is no brighter than Bush, their favorite bashing stick, and that his getting elected will just be a continuance of current Administration.

Now, I am not a big fan of George DubYa, and I am not any bigger of a fan of McCain, but to have it broken down into the fact that Obama is a friggin Oracle compared to McCain is pretty damn scary.

Has anyone else noticed this trend, and is bothered by it, or is it just inside my "happy" little bubble??

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The three most likely to retire are Liberals - Kennedy is the wild card. If Kennedy was a Liberal we wouldn't have had a favorable opinion on the 2nd Amendment. The abberations on the bench now ( Breyer, Souter, and the Wicked Witch) should never have been appointed in the first place, and have been responsible for the most unconstitutional decisions in the history of this country. To allow those positions to be refilled with more Liberals is unthinkable. If that happens, this country will NEVER be turned around from the cesspool of immorality that currently plagues it - forget about the Presidential elections - they are meaningless in comparison. It strikes me as hypocritical for some to say they are not willing to sacrifice their "principles" for the Presidential election, yet ignore their "priciples" when it comes to the opportunity to firm-up the Judicial branch, the "keepers of our Constitution", and who may be revisiting abortion, gay marriage, immigration law, taxes, etc.. At worst McCain would appoint a moderate, but I would bet my life that he would NOT appoint another Breyer, Souter, or O'Connor.

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You know, this back and forth, while interesting, isn't what is troubling me at the moment.

Has anyone actually listened to McCain speak publicly lately?!

I listened to him try to backpeddle out of that "mental recession" comment that was made by Phil Gramm and I have to tell you, he didn't come off as the most articulate person to run for office.

I work with, unfortunately, a bunch of young, wide eyed, never traveled outside the US, never walked a post, liberal minded snot noses, and a bunch of Kalofornia transplant Dems from years gone by. The one they can all agree on is that McCain is no brighter than Bush, their favorite bashing stick, and that his getting elected will just be a continuance of current Administration.

Now, I am not a big fan of George DubYa, and I am not any bigger of a fan of McCain, but to have it broken down into the fact that Obama is a friggin Oracle compared to McCain is pretty damn scary.

Has anyone else noticed this trend, and is bothered by it, or is it just inside my "happy" little bubble??

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The Dems are almost always better speakers. It's been this way for many many years, and is no measure of a persons intelligence or ability to make right decisions - being a good public speaker is just, being a good public speaker! Obama is a good liar, he speaks a good line of BS and has the ability to make it sound heartfelt - the sign of a good politician. I'm tired of good politicians. Bush has always been accused of being a "dummy" but he is anything but, despite his mis-pronunciation of the word "nuclear", and in fact is an Ivy league graduate, and not just because his parents were rich socialites. Yale, Princeton & Harvard don't accept morons. They may graduate morons, but they generally don't accept them..
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If I were to say I'm voting directly for Obama, would that wind you up even more?

Seriously, lighten up a little bit.
I see no difference between saying that and saying what you are saying. The end result is the same, that's all I'm saying...
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The Dems are almost always better speakers. It's been this way for many many years, and is no measure of a persons intelligence or ability to make right decisions.
Well, that is a good point. Within this bubble of liberal whiners it's difficult to see the outside sometimes... LOL

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The three most likely to retire are Liberals - Kennedy is the wild card. If Kennedy was a Liberal we wouldn't have had a favorable opinion on the 2nd Amendment.
This would be the same Kennedy we got an ultra-liberal ruling from where he said executing child rapists is a "disproportionate" punishment to the crime and thus unconstitutional.

Who appointed Kennedy? Ronald Reagan.

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The abberations on the bench now ( Breyer, Souter, and the Wicked Witch) should never have been appointed in the first place, and have been responsible for the most unconstitutional decisions in the history of this country.
George Herbert Walker Bush appointed Souter.

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To allow those positions to be refilled with more Liberals is unthinkable.
It would be bad. That much is certain. But we had two ostensibly hard-core conservatives appoint two of the leftist jurists on the court. McCain isn't even a hard-core conservative; he's a liberal.

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If that happens, this country will NEVER be turned around from the cesspool of immorality that currently plagues it - forget about the Presidential elections - they are meaningless in comparison.
Maybe you're right and maybe this Great Experiment will be lost to humankind forever. Or, maybe, since we have had a taste of how to do it right, we'll figure out a way to do it again. If we're really smart, we won't let it fall at all.

(Voting in a guy who doesn't give a sh*t about the sovereignty of this country may not be the optimal method to put us on the path to recovery.)

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At worst McCain would appoint a moderate,
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but I would bet my life that he would NOT appoint another Breyer, Souter, or O'Connor.
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JD you're correct , even if you have listened to just small snippets on the news here and there much less a complete speech of McCains .

What troubles me more is that he is even backpedaling on issues so quickly that a person can remember almost exactly when he took an opposite position .

At least when Obama does a flip flop the media "if they wanted to expose it which they don't" would have to dig back into months if not years footage .

Not so with McCain , Immigration and Oil prices are just two of the biggies he has all but done a twisted jumping aerial show that would make Shamu the Whale proud trying to please everyone all at once .

It wasn't more than perhaps two months ago I watched an interview where he was asked about possible solutions to these insane gas prices , after the usual bla bla bla he was asked about offshore drilling near California and in ANWAR and he looked dead into the camera and stated opposition to it because "I sir am also an environmentalist" a direct quote from his mouth .

Just the other day I listened to him blather on about how it should be up to the individual state .

Gee what happened to Mr. environmentalist ?

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[QUOTE=bkt;32273]This would be the same Kennedy we got an ultra-liberal ruling from where he said executing child rapists is a "disproportionate" punishment to the crime and thus unconstitutional.

Who appointed Kennedy? Ronald Reagan.

Yes, it's also the same Kennedy that effected a pro-2nd amendment decision 3 weeks ago. When Reagan appointed Kennedy this was a very different country. Bi-partisanship was the beck and call, and to ignore it was certain death for the hopes of any legislation being passed. The country was united in the effort to restore military strength and world leadership. Nowhere near the bickering and fillibustering that we have today.

George Herbert Walker Bush appointed Souter.

I didn't vote for Bush! I detested him almost as much as I detest Obama.

It would be bad. That much is certain. But we had two ostensibly hard-core conservatives appoint two of the leftist jurists on the court. McCain isn't even a hard-core conservative; he's a liberal.

McCain is not a Liberal - he is left of center on some issues and right of center on others. He cannot be counted on for everything we would like to see him take a firm stance on, but he is no Obama!

Maybe you're right and maybe this Great Experiment will be lost to humankind forever. Or, maybe, since we have had a taste of how to do it right, we'll figure out a way to do it again. If we're really smart, we won't let it fall at all.

If Obama gets elected we won't have any say in what happens - particularly not since the Congress and Senate are loaded with Liberals.McCain is no where near the optimum candidate, but Obama is no where near a compromise.
(Voting in a guy who doesn't give a sh*t about the sovereignty of this country may not be the optimal method to put us on the path to recovery.)

At least McCain served his country honorably. I think that says something of his position on sovereignty and is worth more than you give him credit for.

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I couldn't agree more with you RL357 mag


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