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Old 11-29-2013, 10:55 PM   #61
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people do stupid things when they consume alcohol and it's legal.

even if they legalize marijuana, people will still do stupid things when under the influence.
People do stupid thing stone cold sober and straight
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Marijuana IS a gateway. Starts off harmlessly and leads to stronger methods (cocaine, heroin, meth and so on) in search of that higher high. It does not happen to ALL users but it DOES happen to a lot of users.
Milk is the gateway then. I've known a lot of pot smokers that didn't touch anything else, including alcohol.

How many people have become addicted on legal scripts?
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I know I'm joining in a bit late, but I think that the 1776, Jeffersonian Libertarian view is needed. The 2nd Amendment is an individual right, it's not just for the guy who has never touched drugs or alcohol in his life.

And as far as legalizing marijuana, who has the right to tell another person not to use drugs. When we start making laws to "protect" us from ourselves, then we end up with nanny states like my state, ma.

I personally have never used drugs and never will, but what right do I have to tell others not to use them?
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I don't hunt with people that drink before breakfast either. And yes the gun was loaded with a .270 round chambered. I watched him chamber the round

Let's be clear I am talking about under the influence plain and simple. No need to complicate this discussion. Controlled substances and firearms don't mix. Plain and simple. No one here is justifying drinking and hunting so don't be putting words in my mouth. You want to toke up that's your choice it's my choice not to be around you if firearms are involved. Plain. And. Simple!
For clarification I do not use marijuana at all, nor do I use any other drugs except for the occasional drink of alcohol these days.

My point is that some people are stupid. If what you describe happened at my hunt camp the guy would have been told to leave. His choice of libation makes no difference to me.
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The Government Gives and the Government takes away. People should realize the move to allow social marijuana use will come with heavy restrictions. The reason for allowing its use is taxation.
It is very likely to control illegal trafficking Marijuana users will continue to be prohibited from firearms ownership.
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The Government Gives and the Government takes away. People should realize the move to allow social marijuana use will come with heavy restrictions. The reason for allowing its use is taxation.
It is very likely to control illegal trafficking Marijuana users will continue to be prohibited from firearms ownership.
Wrong. Liberty is not for the Government to "give". We have a right to bear arms, this is not given by the government nor is it recognized by the government.

The government does not have any rights, not in the same way that we The People have rights. The Government has POWER, and with that Power they take advantage of the People by outlawing the use of herbs and guns and they abuse their power by taxing us without commensurate representation for that taxation.
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Let's be honest for a moment, for most people, the taxation is just bait to get the Feds to restore this aspect of individual liberty. I'm not saying the excise tax on cannabis would be all bad, but I do think the main good of it would be legalization, not the budgetary impact of the new tax. I would imagine the savings from reallocation of law enforcement assets and corrections/prison and jail facilities would be more, financially than the tax gains.
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support 100%. if you can buy alcohol and guns, you SHOULD be able to buy weed and guns, especially if its medically prescribed.

but I feel many (not all) 2nd supporters will chime in here and talk about how they support some freedoms, but not others (like the freedom for adults to enjoy drugs that grow from god's green earth)..

weed has never been any worse than alcohol or tobacco. its all propaganda fed to us as kids. what is amazing is how many people still buy into it.
I agree. I enjoy a good beer, or a good scotch. I however don't enjoy them and then go out with a firearm and shoot. I would assume that the responsible pot smoker would be the same. Like a drunk waving a firearm around, a stoned shooter would soon lose his ability to own and use said firearm.
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I remember smoking weed and enjoying it, for a few years. I stopped in '72 because I didn't want to be bleary all the time. I haven't used it since then. I don't care if folks use it, medically or otherwise. I can't see it making anyone into a drug crazed, gun toting killer, in fact it makes people just the opposite. Just use your head, see if your state allows it, and go with the law, until it is changed in your favor. It's less hassle, and you come out ahead in the end.
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Here is an interesting perspective by a retired LEO (not regarding firearms, but drug legalization).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yYJ_oV6xk
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